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Countering the Pro Credit Card Propaganda

Warning: Rant below. I felt the need to vent after seeing another pro-credit card hot take.
If you have been around this subreddit for any amount of time you will often come across people explaining how they are very financially savvy and recommend getting a credit card for a number of seemingly great reasons. I would argue that this is a really irresponsible, because it is just not true.
Credit cards are nowhere near as great as they are touted to be, in any category. And this misrepresentation of them causes real world damage to financially vulnerable people and families everyday.

"Credit cards help build your credit score!"
This is not a valid reason to get a credit card. In New Zealand the only credit score that matters is a bad one. There is no need to have had previous loans to secure lending, especially when getting a home loan. If you show good financial habits with your account logs, and you have the necessary income and deposit you will get approved. In fact, just having a credit card can greatly reduce the amount they will lend you, even if you have a zero balance, because you have an open line of credit.

I am protected from fraud, and insured when I go overseas!
Any debit card has the exact same fraud protection, and when you do go overseas, travel insurance is easy to purchase and often a one click purchase when buying a plane ticket. It is not expensive at all.

The points! I get so many points! If I didn't have my card I would never have been bought XYZ
No matter how hard the banks try to convince you, your reward points are nowhere near equal to cash. Reward points can expire. Reward points are not legal currency. Reward points can only be spent at certain merchants, which are high margin and more expensive than other merchants which are not entered into a reward affiliation. Reward points cannot be used to pay many bills such as your rent or mortgage.

But if I spend X amount I will break even and get free points!
Reward points are most certainly NOT FREE.
In order to maintain a points yielding credit card you must pay fees. The more points you earn per dollar you spend, the higher the fee. This means that all things being equal, you will ALWAYS be down in cash equal to at least the credit card fee if nothing else. Even if you 'break even' and spent 100 bucks on the fee, and made 100 dollars in points, you are zero REAL dollars better off, you have exchanged $100 for 100 points of limited utility.
You cannot invest points in stocks, or put it in your Kiwisaver. You can't use them to help with your house deposit. You can't even spend it wherever you want.
You should really think of points like, someone getting you a gift card for Christmas. Everybody knows that cash is superior than an equivalent value gift card, but the damn gift card companies have made grandma think that cash is not as loving as a gift card.

The other thing to remember is you are not only paying for the card annually, you pay per transaction.
But not everywhere charges a surcharge! I only use my card when there is no extra surcharge!
You might not always be aware of it, but you actually still pay to use the card. Have a look at Noel Leeming vs PB tech. Noel Leeming charges no extra to use a credit card, so I guess it doesn't cost you any money to get your points? Wrong. Noel Leeming pays the credit card service charge, but they pass it to you in the price of the product because they have beefier margins than the cheaper places to buy identical products. If you are not familiar with pricespy.co.nz, get familiar real quick before you buy another item at Noels, JB or Harvey Norman.
PB Tech charges a service charge for credit cards payments directly, and you will notice if you take two items at their listed price PB will be lower than Noel Leeming, 9 times out of 10. Right now Google Nest mini for example, $85.43 at PB and 89.99 at Noel Leeming. That is a 5% difference in price, and that's how your credit card surcharge is hidden.
I know there are die hard credit card users out there. You truly believe you have cracked it. That the banker goes home every night and complains to her husband about how badly you owned them today. "If they could just miss one payment!" she pleads "then we might make some damn money out of them!".
The system is not setup that way, the bank will always profit in the end, they do their best to hide that from you so you think you are winning. They are smarter than you, they are like casinos in that regard. You can't beat statistics.
Conclusion
In any case, all I would ask is please stop being an unpaid credit card advocate. It is no skin off your nose. You don't get a commission, or a kick back. It doesn't get you a better price or into heaven the more people you convert. And you most certainly aren't helping others with pro credit card advice.
To "win" with a credit card takes a lot of things going right, and realistically a good amount of cognitive work.
For every person that "does well" with a credit card, there are many people that are completely ruined financially due to their monthly credit card bill. Some of those people would have gotten their first credit card because they have heard anecdotes from people about the free points, the great rewards. They remembered hearing about the awesome credit building power that a credit card unlocks. Even if you think that is true for yourself, I think we can all agree that people who aren't very financially aware will more than likely get no benefit from a card, and in some cases be much worse off because of it.
TLDR: Please don't contribute to someone else's decision to get a credit card. Please enjoy your 'very valuable' points in private and don't recommended highly dangerous financial products to people when you don't know anything about their financial circumstance or ability.
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Happy new year!
A number of you have been asking for recommendations on good websites that welcome international users. Frustrating how so many places seem to be geared towards Americans, isn’t it? I’ve seen at least four threads asking this very question over the past few days. Instead of annoying everyone by spamming my referral links in each one, I might as well make a post listing the sites I use and/or have tried in the past.
I also figured that, with many people resolving to find ways to earn a little extra money in the coming year, this subreddit will be flooded with posts asking for recommendations. The FAQ has a good list, but it does not mention any age or geographic restrictions each of those sites have, so deciding where to start can be overwhelming.

Some things to keep in mind (especially if you’re entirely new to all of this)

Please let me know if I have made any mistakes with age / location / payment requirements as listed below. Unless otherwise stated, most of these sites should work internationally, but not all of them may be accessible or have as many offers available in your country. Doesn’t hurt to try and see what happens.

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In addition, here are more sites that you may want to consider looking into. I don’t use them—or have yet to do so—due to lack of time and/or interest. Feel free to post more info about them in the comments.

Tried but do not use anymore (all non-ref links)

website countries minimum age withdrawal amount payment methods
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Have not yet tried but am planning to in the future

website countries minimum age withdrawal amount payment methods
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website countries minimum age withdrawal amount payment methods
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  • InboxDollars: Only U.S. residents will receive PaidEmails and have offers to do, even though non-Americans can register on the site. Stick to ClixSense instead.
  • Topline: Self-explanatory if you’ve been keeping up with /beermoney over the last two months. I actually do like passive methods; too bad they don’t work in practice. No alternatives to recommend.
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  • FusionCash: U.S. 13+ and Canada 18+ only. Great site for Americans, but Canadians are limited to making $599 per calendar year there, have less offers available, and do not get any paid emails or PTC ads. Also, earnings from successfully credited offers expire 180 days (6 months) after they are first posted to your account, so cashing out as soon as possible is highly recommended. ClixSense is a much better alternative.

Still have no clue where to start?

ClixSense for offers, Neobux for CrowdFlower tasking (no need to rent refs), and have PollBuzzer around in case it ever sends you any questions. They will be your new best friends! ☺
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