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[NYTimes] Sources describe horror stories of young and inexperienced investors on Robinhood, many engaging in riskier trades at far higher volumes than at other firms

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/technology/robinhood-risky-trading.html
Richard Dobatse, a Navy medic in San Diego, dabbled infrequently in stock trading. But his behavior changed in 2017 when he signed up for Robinhood, a trading app that made buying and selling stocks simple and seemingly free.
Mr. Dobatse, now 32, said he had been charmed by Robinhood’s one-click trading, easy access to complex investment products, and features like falling confetti and emoji-filled phone notifications that made it feel like a game. After funding his account with $15,000 in credit card advances, he began spending more time on the app.
As he repeatedly lost money, Mr. Dobatse took out two $30,000 home equity loans so he could buy and sell more speculative stocks and options, hoping to pay off his debts. His account value shot above $1 million this year — but almost all of that recently disappeared. This week, his balance was $6,956.
“When he is doing his trading, he won’t want to eat,” said his wife, Tashika Dobatse, with whom he has three children. “He would have nightmares.”
Millions of young Americans have begun investing in recent years through Robinhood, which was founded in 2013 with a sales pitch of no trading fees or account minimums. The ease of trading has turned it into a cultural phenomenon and a Silicon Valley darling, with the start-up climbing to an $8.3 billion valuation. It has been one of the tech industry’s biggest growth stories in the recent market turmoil.
But at least part of Robinhood’s success appears to have been built on a Silicon Valley playbook of behavioral nudges and push notifications, which has drawn inexperienced investors into the riskiest trading, according to an analysis of industry data and legal filings, as well as interviews with nine current and former Robinhood employees and more than a dozen customers. And the more that customers engaged in such behavior, the better it was for the company, the data shows.
Thanks for reading The Times. Subscribe to The Times More than at any other retail brokerage firm, Robinhood’s users trade the riskiest products and at the fastest pace, according to an analysis of new filings from nine brokerage firms by the research firm Alphacution for The New York Times.
In the first three months of 2020, Robinhood users traded nine times as many shares as E-Trade customers, and 40 times as many shares as Charles Schwab customers, per dollar in the average customer account in the most recent quarter. They also bought and sold 88 times as many risky options contracts as Schwab customers, relative to the average account size, according to the analysis.
The more often small investors trade stocks, the worse their returns are likely to be, studies have shown. The returns are even worse when they get involved with options, research has found.
This kind of trading, where a few minutes can mean the difference between winning and losing, was particularly hazardous on Robinhood because the firm has experienced an unusual number of technology issues, public records show. Some Robinhood employees, who declined to be identified for fear of retaliation, said the company failed to provide adequate guardrails and technology to support its customers.
Those dangers came into focus last month when Alex Kearns, 20, a college student in Nebraska, killed himself after he logged into the app and saw that his balance had dropped to negative $730,000. The figure was high partly because of some incomplete trades.
“There was no intention to be assigned this much and take this much risk,” Mr. Kearns wrote in his suicide note, which a family member posted on Twitter.
Like Mr. Kearns, Robinhood’s average customer is young and lacks investing know-how. The average age is 31, the company said, and half of its customers had never invested before.
Some have visited Robinhood’s headquarters in Menlo Park, Calif., in recent years to confront the staff about their losses, said four employees who witnessed the incidents. This year, they said, the start-up installed bulletproof glass at the front entrance.
“They encourage people to go from training wheels to driving motorcycles,” Scott Smith, who tracks brokerage firms at the financial consulting firm Cerulli, said of Robinhood. “Over the long term, it’s like trying to beat the casino.”
At the core of Robinhood’s business is an incentive to encourage more trading. It does not charge fees for trading, but it is still paid more if its customers trade more.
That’s because it makes money through a complex practice known as “payment for order flow.” Each time a Robinhood customer trades, Wall Street firms actually buy or sell the shares and determine what price the customer gets. These firms pay Robinhood for the right to do this, because they then engage in a form of arbitrage by trying to buy or sell the stock for a profit over what they give the Robinhood customer.
This practice is not new, and retail brokers such as E-Trade and Schwab also do it. But Robinhood makes significantly more than they do for each stock share and options contract sent to the professional trading firms, the filings show.
For each share of stock traded, Robinhood made four to 15 times more than Schwab in the most recent quarter, according to the filings. In total, Robinhood got $18,955 from the trading firms for every dollar in the average customer account, while Schwab made $195, the Alphacution analysis shows. Industry experts said this was most likely because the trading firms believed they could score the easiest profits from Robinhood customers.
Vlad Tenev, a founder and co-chief executive of Robinhood, said in an interview that even with some of its customers losing money, young Americans risked greater losses by not investing in stocks at all. Not participating in the markets “ultimately contributed to the sort of the massive inequalities that we’re seeing in society,” he said.
Mr. Tenev said only 12 percent of the traders active on Robinhood each month used options, which allow people to bet on where the price of a specific stock will be on a specific day and multiply that by 100. He said the company had added educational content on how to invest safely.
He declined to comment on why Robinhood makes more than its competitors from the Wall Street firms. The company also declined to comment on Mr. Dobatse or provide data on its customers’ performance.
Robinhood does not force people to trade, of course. But its success at getting them do so has been highlighted internally. In June, the actor Ashton Kutcher, who has invested in Robinhood, attended one of the company’s weekly staff meetings on Zoom and celebrated its success by comparing it to gambling websites, said three people who were on the call.
Mr. Kutcher said in a statement that his comment “was not intended to be a comparison of business models nor the experience Robinhood provides its customers” and that it referred “to the current growth metrics.” He added that he was “absolutely not insinuating that Robinhood was a gambling platform.”
ImageRobinhood’s co-founders and co-chief executives, Baiju Bhatt, left, and Vlad Tenev, created the company to make investing accessible to everyone. Robinhood’s co-founders and co-chief executives, Baiju Bhatt, left, and Vlad Tenev, created the company to make investing accessible to everyone.Credit...via Reuters Robinhood was founded by Mr. Tenev and Baiju Bhatt, two children of immigrants who met at Stanford University in 2005. After teaming up on several ventures, including a high-speed trading firm, they were inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement to create a company that would make finance more accessible, they said. They named the start-up Robinhood after the English outlaw who stole from the rich and gave to the poor.
Robinhood eliminated trading fees while most brokerage firms charged $10 or more for a trade. It also added features to make investing more like a game. New members were given a free share of stock, but only after they scratched off images that looked like a lottery ticket.
The app is simple to use. The home screen has a list of trendy stocks. If a customer touches one of them, a green button pops up with the word “trade,” skipping many of the steps that other firms require.
Robinhood initially offered only stock trading. Over time, it added options trading and margin loans, which make it possible to turbocharge investment gains — and to supersize losses.
The app advertises options with the tagline “quick, straightforward & free.” Customers who want to trade options answer just a few multiple-choice questions. Beginners are legally barred from trading options, but those who click that they have no investing experience are coached by the app on how to change the answer to “not much” experience. Then people can immediately begin trading.
Before Robinhood added options trading in 2017, Mr. Bhatt scoffed at the idea that the company was letting investors take uninformed risks.
“The best thing we can say to those people is ‘Just do it,’” he told Business Insider at the time.
In May, Robinhood said it had 13 million accounts, up from 10 million at the end of 2019. Schwab said it had 12.7 million brokerage accounts in its latest filings; E-Trade reported 5.5 million.
That growth has kept the money flowing in from venture capitalists. Sequoia Capital and New Enterprise Associates are among those that have poured $1.3 billion into Robinhood. In May, the company received a fresh $280 million.
“Robinhood has made the financial markets accessible to the masses and, in turn, revolutionized the decades-old brokerage industry,” Andrew Reed, a partner at Sequoia, said after last month’s fund-raising.
Image Robinhood shows users that its options trading is free of commissions. Robinhood shows users that its options trading is free of commissions. Mr. Tenev has said Robinhood has invested in the best technology in the industry. But the risks of trading through the app have been compounded by its tech glitches.
In 2018, Robinhood released software that accidentally reversed the direction of options trades, giving customers the opposite outcome from what they expected. Last year, it mistakenly allowed people to borrow infinite money to multiply their bets, leading to some enormous gains and losses.
Robinhood’s website has also gone down more often than those of its rivals — 47 times since March for Robinhood and 10 times for Schwab — according to a Times analysis of data from Downdetector.com, which tracks website reliability. In March, the site was down for almost two days, just as stock prices were gyrating because of the coronavirus pandemic. Robinhood’s customers were unable to make trades to blunt the damage to their accounts.
Four Robinhood employees, who declined to be identified, said the outage was rooted in issues with the company’s phone app and servers. They said the start-up had underinvested in technology and moved too quickly rather than carefully.
Mr. Tenev said he could not talk about the outage beyond a company blog post that said it was “not acceptable.” Robinhood had recently made new technology investments, he said.
Plaintiffs who have sued over the outage said Robinhood had done little to respond to their losses. Unlike other brokers, the company has no phone number for customers to call.
Mr. Dobatse suffered his biggest losses in the March outage — $860,000, his records show. Robinhood did not respond to his emails, he said, adding that he planned to take his case to financial regulators for arbitration.
“They make it so easy for people that don’t know anything about stocks,” he said. “Then you go there and you start to lose money.”
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The 9-0 Canton Bulldogs conclude their 1917 Ohio League championship season, losing to the Massillon Tigers 6-0 at League Field in Canton, Ohio.
While Canton assumed the championship had been secured when they defeated Massillon 14-3 the week prior, the loss gave the Tigers cause to claim the title for themselves, as the tradition in the Ohio League had always been to assign more importance to games later in the season. At 5-3, Massillon had lost to Akron and Youngstown, and of course Canton. Canton stood at 9-1, having defeated Massillon, Akron, and Youngstown twice.
The league determined Canton deserved the 1917 championship more than Massillon based on the head-to-head games, with the combined score of 14-9 providing the final justification.
While the Tigers were surely frustrated by the decision, there must have been some satisfaction on the field and back at home when the final gun sounded and Jim Thorpe and the mighty Canton Bulldogs had finally been defeated.
For Stan Cofall and the core group of players who migrated from Youngstown to Massillon the game would be the fourth meeting with Thorpe’s Bulldogs since November 4.
A hundred years ago today, Cofall made a play in the second quarter that injured Thorpe and he limped through the rest of the game. Cofall would connect on both his field goal tries to provide all of the scoring and give Massillon the win. Years later, in 1920, at the first meeting that led to the founding of the NFL, Jim Thorpe and Stan Cofall were the only players present.
Researcher Bob Gill analyzed 14 big games in Jim Thorpe’s pre-NFL Canton career (1915-19) to see what kind of a player he really was. Fortunately, today’s game is on the list.
Gill also compiled cumulative statistics from these games.
What Gill found is that Jim Thorpe deserves the accolades accorded to him over the years, and certainly a place in the Professional Football Hall of Fame, despite not doing much while he was in the NFL. There are but few enshrined in Canton who can make such a claim.
A hundred years ago today, Thorpe would rush for 70 yards, including a 36-yarder, but he also had a punt and field goal blocked.
Canton quarterback Milt Ghee, whose record 17 touchdown passes in the 1917 season stood for a decade, had five interceptions, including two by Cofall.
Canton outgained Massillon on the day 194 to 51, but the miscues were too much to overcome.
While some of the data could not be gleaned from the play-by-play information, Gill is confident in his overall numbers:
Rushing
Jim Thorpe (13 games): 158 carries, 768 yards, 7 TDs, 4.9 average
Other Canton players (14 games): 428 carries, 1,201 yards, 2.8 average
Opponents (14 games): 434 carries, 640 yards, 1.5 average
Stan Cofall (6 games): 45 carries, 51 yards, 1.1 average
Gus Dorias (4 games): 27 carries, 49 yards, 1.8 average
Thorpe certainly shines in this comparison, but remember the same great Canton line that blocked for Thorpe would be on the field defensively to stuff his opponents. Fats Waldsmith at Center, Doc Spears and Fred Sefton at Guard, all would likely have gotten all-Pro consideration if such a metric existed a hundred years ago. The other great Canton backs also posted quality numbers. For example, Gill found that Pete Calac averaged 3.0 yards over eight games and F.A. Dunn averaged 3.2 over four. Joe Guyon, an NFL Hall of Famer and Carlisle Indian School alum who joined Canton in 1919, averaged 3.7 yards a carry over three games, and Carp Julian, who ran with Thorpe in 1915-16, averaged 4.3 over the four games in the study.
The other important skill Thorpe brought to the early game was punting. Real games were low scoring affairs. Consider, over the course of 30 games from 1916 to 1919, the Canton Bulldogs only surrendered 43 points.
Punting
Jim Thorpe (13 games): 80 punts for an average of 40.7
Other Canton players (14 games): 36 punts for 31.2
Opponents (14 games): 126 punts for 34.3
Other stats compiled over the 13 games Thorpe played in the study:
17 punt returns for a 14.8 average and a TD
9 kickoff returns for a 19.7 average
Of course in his own time Thorpe faced the racism we would expect to see a hundred years ago, given even The New York Times used the word “Redskin” in its sub-head when announcing Thorpe’s arrival in Queens for the Olympic qualifiers.
Some go further, claiming racism led to Thorpe being stripped of the gold medals he won in the decathlon and pentathlon representing his country (when charged, Thorpe admitted to playing minor league baseball for what amounted to chump change, pleaded ignorance). The medals were not reinstated until 1982, almost thirty years after his death.
It’s worth considering, if Thorpe had retained his amateur status, he would not have become the quintessential pro. Recognized as the greatest athlete of his time and perhaps of all time, Thorpe gave professional football the star power it so desperately needed, enough to carry it through the war. Everyone today has heard of professional football, expects it on Sunday. A hundred years ago, this was far from the case.
President Teddy Roosevelt himself spoke out against the violence in the game, citing the players who died and were maimed during the course of the season, at a time when his son played for Harvard and he himself was a fan.
The rules commission made some changes to make the game safer, and at that time the pro game did not have its own rule book, so whatever came down from the college ranks was immediately implemented.
For instance, the neutral zone over the line of scrimmage was introduced to keep players from wrangling even before the play had started. Also, rules about the number of players that needed to be on the line of scrimmage prevented teams from running plays like the flying wedge, where the offensive linemen would get a running start before the snap.
While these changes were put into place over the course of a decade there were many changes that ended up promoting the offense. Most of these rules are naturally taken for granted today, yet it’s worth looking back to better understand the game’s evolution.
First and foremost there needed to be rules about the football itself. Each field had their own balls, sometimes with differences in construction, wear, inflation.
Perhaps the rule change that opened up the game the most was the addition of hash marks to the field. Prior to the hash mark, the ball would be spotted wherever the last play ended. This made players reluctant to run outside. After an out-of-bounds play, the ball would be spotted about a foot from the end line. The center would snap the ball as normal with the rest of the offensive line to one side. Without hash marks, after an out-of-bounds play the next play was often for a loss as the offense tried to bring the ball back into the center of the field. Under these circumstances, it’s clear why the offense would often punt away before fourth down.
For a time, when you scored, you got the ball back. This “make it take it” approach resulted in some tremendous blow-outs as inferior teams were unable to get their offense on the field.
Originally, when you scored a touchdown, you had to kick the extra point from wherever you crossed the goal-line, so if you took the play outside it was almost impossible to hit from that angle.
Nowhere did the rules change as much as in the passing game. First it was legalized, with restrictions. An incompletion in the end zone would be a touchback. In some old pictures you see players on a checker-boxed field; this is because of the passing rule, where five-yard increments were needed on the field to help the referees determine if the play was legal.
It took two players at a small college in Indiana to prove the effectiveness of the passing game. When Gus Dorias threw the football to Knute Rockne during the 1913 Note Dame season the game took another step towards both safety, as the threat of a pass forced defenders away from the line of scrimmage, but also now had a new level of excitement, one that would be embraced then as now more firmly by the pro game.
A hundred years ago, the close relationship we see today between professional and college football did not exist. Up until the founding of the NFL and even afterwards, there was little encouragement of the pro game from the college ranks. Consider perhaps the greatest name, Amos Alonzo Stagg, continually spoke out against playing football for money; of course he managed to find a way to make a living for himself off the game.
When Red Grange signed with the Bears after his college eligibility ended in 1925, the Illinois coach, Hall of Famer Bob Zuppke, while giving his speech from the podium at the team’s end of year dinner, openly ripped into anybody who thought making money from playing football had any honor to it, and his star player, who had given the team so many good memories, left the event with his head held low.
Once in the pro ranks it would be Grange who proved that the baseball stadiums could be filled in the off season, the way their proprietors had longed dreamed. The baseball men had it all, but they had high hopes for football, given it could be played in poor weather, when their colosseums sat empty. None of them could imagine a sport surpassing baseball in popularity, least of all professional football.
Grange redefined the game. Fans around the country liked the idea of being able to see the revolutionary player at their local field. Grange had played in what was known as the Western Conference, making it difficult for fans on either coast to see him. With Grange the Bears took two barnstorming tours, one on each coast, playing games every couple of days in front of what were usually record-setting crowds for a football game at each venue. The seeds of the game’s popularity had been sown.
Prior to returning for the 1926 season, Grange tried to negotiate a deal with George Halas that he felt better reflected his star power. After all, the Bears had gone from playing in front of 5,000 fans to 25,000, with everyone lined up to see the Galloping Ghost. The Bears as a franchise had already benefitted from Grange’s presence, as Hall of Famers like Link Lyman joined the Bears for the barnstorming tour, sensing a big payday, and then simply remained with the team after it was over, making the Bears one of the dominant teams in the league’s early years, and likely the reason they were one of the few that survived without having to change location.
Grange, when he wasn’t able to get the money he felt he deserved, didn’t form his own team, he started his own league, the American Football League. While the league only lasted one year, it had a lasting impact on the NFL. Grange wanted the teams in his league to be in big cities, a policy the NFL adopted, and with the exception of Green Bay, maintains today.
In 1926 there were almost as many pro teams as today, as the NFL began the season with 22 teams, and the AFL had 9.
Teams from Philadelphia won both Championships. The leagues found a merger of sorts for 1927, and the New York Giants won their first NFL title. The game of professional football had found a home on the East Coast. By 1933 all of the Ohio League teams were gone, and the smallest city with a team was Portsmouth, which would move to Detroit for the 1934 season.
Professional football has always held a bad reputation in certain quarters, not just because of the violence, but also the gambling and drinking. Imagine this reputation a hundred years ago in the age of temperance, when states were adopting the prohibition of alcohol, and women who had tired of losing their men to vice wanted the right to vote so they could elect leaders ready to make the sort of activity rampant at football games illegal. Ohio went dry in 1918 and the country followed suit in 1920, the same year women earned the right to vote and the NFL was founded.
While drinking alcohol had now become illegal, speak-easies popped off offering a wide range of concoctions, and it was well understood, then as now, that there would be plenty of drinking in the bleachers. Football fans would stop at the speak-easy for a bottle on their way to the game. One Decatur Staley player claimed that by the second half it was impossible to hear the quarterback because of the sound of breaking glass as fans began ditching their empties under the stands.
Is this why the NFL resists putting too much emphasis on the old days of the game? Readers of this series well understand it is impossible to tell these stories without going into detail about what we know was happening on and off the field. Many of the old owners were familiar faces at the track. Any organization proud of its traditions gladly puts its history forward. If this were true of the NFL, they would find 30 seconds of a four-hour nation-wide broadcast to recall how, a hundred years ago on Thanksgiving Day 1917, the tradition of professional football in Detroit began when the mighty Canton Bulldogs came to town in what might have been the first national championship game.
The study of old-time football is humbling. It doesn’t take much to become an expert because there’s simply not that much out there.
Today’s standards did not exist on the front page of the newspaper, let alone the sports page. The people who wrote about sports were full of hyperbole and tall tales, and their editors knew the big bosses wanted headlines that sold newspapers, and there were less headaches when you stretched the truth about what had happened on the field.
The few newspapers yet to go extinct and others have digitized their archives, but they rarely if ever covered sports with the sort of detail we would expect to find today.
A hundred years ago, sports meant amateurs, professional athletes did not warrant much mention, especially football. It would be like opening your local daily and seeing the results of Wrestlemania XXXIII alongside news of Major League Baseball’s opening day.
Sometimes the local newspaper in a football town would print a lineup, but is “Brown” really a player named “Brown,” or is he a household name trying to hide his identity? For instance, today’s Massillon lineup featured a player named French, who was really NFL Hall of Famer Champ Chamberlin, then an All-American at Nebraska.
This cross pollination of college players into the pro ranks was perhaps the most important factor driving the creation of the NFL, and it was serious business for the new league, as the Green Bay Packers found out in January 1922 when Joe Carr kicked them out for fielding Notre Dame players in what had always been common practice.
By such high standards the NFL began laying the groundwork for the close collaboration that still exists between the two levels of the sport, and ultimately sits at the heart of the pro game’s success.
While today it is a joke to say a college team is good enough to beat a pro, or a pro team is so bad they might lose, in the early days of professional football the opposite was true. The top college programs had great players recruited from around the nation, who were well coached, had proper equipment, medical resources. These massive stadiums were already being filled every Saturday.
This reality existed for some time in the minds of historians but the truth about professional football is your team was usually as good as you could afford it to be.
While a hundred years ago professional football had no governing body capable of awarding all-pro status, newspapermen would often make their own picks, such that a paper in Indiana listed only local players, and so on, as the reporters did not have the budget to travel and see anything other than local talent.
A Cleveland paper attempted to compile a more diverse list for the 1917 season:
QB Milt Ghee, Canton Bulldogs (Dartmouth)
LH Jim Thorpe, Canton Bulldogs (Carlisle)
RH Stan Cofall, Youngstown/Massillon (Notre Dame)
FB F.A. Dunn, Canton (Dickinson)
C Bob Peck, Youngstown/Massillon (Pitt)
LG Al Nesser, Akron (No college)
RG Doc Spears, Canton (Dartmouth)
LT Pike Johnson, Massillon (Washington & Lee)
RT Charley Copley, Massillon (Muhlenberg)
LE Nasty Nash, Massillon (Rutgers)
RE Roy Burrell, Akron (No college) Conspicuously absent are Greasy Neale, probably the top end in the game at the time, and Pete Calac, likely second only to his old teammate Thorpe when it came time to smash the line, who both played the 1917 season for Canton under assumed names due to their relationship with West Virginia Wesleyan, one as coach, the other as star player. Of this list, only Jim Thorpe made it into the Professional Football Hall of Fame.
Any football fan might ask, why is the Hall of Fame in Canton?
This series has attempted to answer that question by following the Canton Bulldogs through the 1917 season, as this team itself provides a big part of the answer. Not only this dominant Canton team but the great one that first went pro in the early 1900s alongside Massillon, Akron, Shelby and the other Ohio League stalwarts, when the state first made its claim to having the best teams in the country.
After folding after a game-fixing gambling scandal in 1906, oilman Jack Cusack revived the team from the ashes, making Jim Thorpe the highest paid football player in the country, surrounding him with reliable pros, ultimately bringing the Ohio League Championship to Canton in 1916, and defending it in 1917.
Cusack went back to Oklahoma when it was clear there would no team in 1918, selling the rights to local businessman Ralph Hay, perhaps the game’s greatest promoter. Hay made sure the Bulldogs returned for the 1919 season, including Jim Thorpe and Pete Calac. He improved the team, adding Joe Guyon, and they again won the Ohio League Championship. Hay went up to Youngstown to make sure they fielded a team, even though it was only for a week. He did whatever he had to do to make sure professional football survived. So it makes sense that the first meeting that led to the NFL happened in his office, and the second larger meeting that solidified the creation of the nationwide league was held in his Hupmobile showroom, with George Halas sitting on a running board.
There is a larger answer as well, and that is the people in Ohio love football. Even today you see the fans’ enthusiasm despite getting little in return from their teams. Back then this willingness to buy a ticket and go to the game meant the owner could recruit top talent for fans to watch and win bets on. The Canton paper complained after the 1917 game in Youngstown because their backers had took the train up there with pockets full of cash, unable to find locals willing to put money on their team. The bookmakers were right next to the field.
At the dawn of professional football the Midwest had seen a tremendous influx of industry and population growth. Since the war had been raging in Europe since 1914, the area had been in the midst of a boom-time that encouraged both the funding of player salaries and the “judicious bets” the owners and people around the team would make to cover any losses at the gate. These benefits seemed to wane after the war, yet four of the first five NFL champions hailed from the state.
Also worth considering is Ohio’s geography, close to western Pennsylvania where the pro game took life, yet not governed by the religious Blue Laws that prohibited playing football for money on Sunday. Just as these first enterprising athletic clubs around Pittsburgh were closing the doors on their often controversial football program, the teams in Ohio were going pro, and brought in the top players from the east to settle local rivalries.
The Ohio League teams needed to create the NFL. They needed a stronger league not only because the use of college players had become more controversial and harder to conceal, but because the competition to bring in top players had spread far beyond the state’s borders. Without the Ohio League there is no NFL, yet Massillon folded in 1919 and the other teams would drop off one by one. The Canton Bulldogs returned to dominance in 1922 and 1923, becoming the first back to back NFL champion under Champ Chamberlin.
In Cleveland, frustrated by his own team’s lack of success, the owner simply bought the entire Canton Bulldogs franchise for $2,500, cherry-picked Chamberlin and his core group, which included Hall of Fame linemen Fats Henry and Link Lyman, and won the city’s first NFL championship in 1924.
The Canton Bulldogs had become the Cleveland Bulldogs, more than symbolic of the NFL’s move from the small towns to the large population centers. Once rooted in places like Chicago, New York and Philadelphia, the love affair between the city and their team continued to grow, ultimately becoming the NFL of today, the most popular sport in the country.
Other entries in the series:
November 29, 1917 (Thanksgiving Day game) Game 9 - Canton Bulldogs 7, Detroit Heralds 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7gj33x/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_thanksgiving_day/
November 25, 1917 Game 8 - Canton Bulldogs14, Massillon Tigers 3 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7ffpbu/a_hundred_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton/
November 18, 1917 Game 7 - Canton Bulldogs 13, Youngstown Patricians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7dt1i2/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_13/
November 11, 1917 Game 6 - Canton Bulldogs 14, Akron Indians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7c9hvf/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_14/
November 4, 1917 Game 5 - Canton Bulldogs 3, Youngstown Patricians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7aqzn1/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_3/
October 28, 1917 Game 4 - Canton Bulldogs 41, Rochester Jeffersons 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/79b7il/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_41/
October 21, 1917 Game 3 -Canton Bulldogs 54, Columbus Panhandles 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/77t4vs/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_54/
October 14, 1917 Game 2 -Canton Bulldogs 80, Altoona Indians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/76e5t7/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_80/
October 7, 1917 Game 1 - Canton Bulldogs 12, Pitcairn Quakers 7 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/75119e/100_years_ago_in_pro_football/
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It’s obvious the NFL is going to do a bad job retelling its own history.
While the league’s centenary is still years away, the Packers will turn 100 in 2019, meaning the celebrations are sure to begin even sooner. Hopefully the Packers fans will contribute to the subreddit and see it as a place to celebrate the long storied history of the franchise. They are the best representatives of old-time football, in that they come from a small town and were sponsored by local business.
The Bears turn 100 along with the league, but even before the top team out of Hammond played their games in Chicago, and so hopefully Bears fans will also see the subreddit as a place to share the city’s history and the tales from the NFL’s most tenured franchise (the Packers joined the league in 1921).
New York Giants fans will also have great memories to share, and while the team will not turn 100 until 2025, it will soon after celebrate the anniversary of its first championship in 2027. Even prior to the Giants the city has a rich history of old-time football, considering the 1902 World Series of Professional Football held at Madison Square Garden, and that the most attended game in the NFL’s first season was at the Polo Grounds.
Hopefully this new subreddit will be a place to find all of the locally sourced history of the game’s early days, and as interest in the anniversaries continues to grow, so will the subscriptions on the subreddit.
Fans around the country might be surprised to find their local community also once supported its own football team, and that they had a star player.
Also fans should post pictures, as these are also often difficult to find on the internet, and of course any video is priceless.
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[OC] A Look Back at Elway's Drafts: 2016

Paxton Lynch, QB (#26)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
(his comparison to Marcus Mariota makes, uh, little sense to me even when accounting for hindsight)
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Round 1 thread
Draft recap thread
The War Room’s reaction
Player picked next: Kenny Clark, DT (#27)
Player at position picked next: Christian Hackenberg, QB (#51)
2018 BMB Take:
Well….
Where do I start? The story of Paxton Lynch has been one of the most covered and discussed in Broncos Country over the last two years. Since the day he was drafted, everyone and their mother had a take on Paxton Lynch. Some loved his upside and athletic abilities when he was drafted. Others believed his “football IQ” short-comings and questions about his work ethic were enough to detract from any potential he had, while his life in mostly college-style offenses would mean it’d be a while before he was put in any position to succeed.
To this last point, there was a bit of consensus this would be the case. He would be a project player—a designation shared by several other players in this class—and would need a season or two before he could do anything. He needed to adjust to the NFL. In the meantime, the Broncos should have a “bridge” QB hold down the fort for a while. This would be the role of Mark Sanchez, who was traded for shortly after the new league year began.
In hindsight, despite all the praise I had for Elway’s “innovative” and “zaggy” QB strategy in 2016, it really wasn’t the right move. We had a great roster that could’ve contended for a playoff spot—if not a division title or even more. They were limited with poor QB play once Siemian got hurt. Perhaps the first-round pick would’ve been better served improving the roster at another position. Perhaps it would’ve been ideal if they used it to get a more established QB (Kaepernick, Bradford, Keenumlol ). Whatever it was, Elway’s decision to undervalue the QB position didn’t work out for the Broncos in 2016.
Unless they were perfectly content with non-contending that year. Maybe, internally, they realized it was unlikely the balls all bounced the same was as they did in 2015. We, like any title team, were the beneficiaries of a lot of luck that year. Combined that with the immeasurable loss of Peyton Manning and it becomes apparent that 9-7 was a small miracle for the Broncos. Perhaps the selection of Paxton Lynch signified this change of philosophy. That they were content with tanking the seasons, retooling the roster, and focusing on getting better for the future. If this was the mindset, selecting Paxton may have made sense. He’d have had the space to learn and grow, either behind a bridge or by just playing outright. This seemed to make sense, but one man changed everything; Trevor Siemian.
Siemian’s emergence as a legitimate starting QB blew the Broncos plans with Paxton Lynch. Now, they had two young and seemingly capable QBs. Siemian most certainly looked the part, but Paxton had that always-in-demand upside that NFL FOs love so much. This had changed the whole foundation of the QB room and brought more uncertainty to it. They had just invested this high pick in a young QB, now they had another option who looked better?
As 2016 went on, even after Siemian looked hurt, he certainly inspired confidence that he could become a better QB as the years went on. He already surpassed the expectations of most 7th-round QBs. Broncos HC Gary Kubiak (who had very good job security) was a fan of him, as were most of the offensive coaches.
In a series of events that could only be described as a divine blessing for Paxton, Kubiak was forced into retirement due to health matters and the offensive coaches (Knapp, Dennison) were shown the door. The new coaching staff, lead by Vance Joseph and OC Mike McCoy, were preaching the desire for “juiced up” offense and an open QB competition. By some reports, they were hired due to their willingness to have an open competition and not just give Siemian the job. The Broncos were bound and determined to see what they could get out of Paxton.
Everything in the 2017 offseason was built around the assumption that Paxton would become the starting QB. The offense was tailormade to his strengths, he was praised by the FO and coaches, and the media was pushing narratives about his growth during the offseason. He had every structural advantage possible.
But once the rubber met the road in the preseason, Paxton appeared to be the Same Old Paxton we’ve come to know and love. He was inaccurate, jittery in the pocket, struggled to complete basic passes. Siemian wasn’t anything special, but he was consistent and stable. He was the glazed doughnut of QBs, pretty ok if nothing special. Despite all the speculation that Lynch would be handed the job come hell or high water, Lynch managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The coaching staff went with the glazed doughnut. This decision was assisted by Lynch suffering a shoulder injury, which prompted the Broncos bring back Brock Osweiler. What a wild ride!
Sugar...ain’t very filling. While he started the year well, Siemian fizzled out and was subsequently benched for Brock while Paxton recovered. Brock somehow managed to be worse than Siemian, who was then benched for Paxton. He finally had his grasp on the starting QB position. If he could show something over these next few games, it would be unlikely he’d lose the job in the immediate future. It was all set for a date in Oakland.
Which...Paxton proceeded to lay an egg in. He went 9 of 14 for 41 yards and 1 INT. Against a defense that hadn’t managed to get an interception by that point in the season and was among the worst in the league. Yikes.
More importantly for his career, he got hurt in the game which re-inserted Trevor Siemian into the lineup. Who proceeded to start a few more games, get hurt himself, and cause Brock Osweiler to be put back into the lineup. Once Lynch got healthy again (I’m losing track of the crappy QBs.), he was put back into the lineup and would start the last game of the season against the Chiefs. Lynch vs. Mahomes, a foreshadow of what the AFCW could be for years to come.
He played...ok, 21/31 for 254 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs. Nothing special, but for Paxton it was the best he had looked preseason and regular season. But, this was against a team who had nothing to play for (they were locked into the #4 seed) and was resting players. He should’ve played well. Anything else would’ve been signing his death warrant.
As the 2018 offseason commenced, the very first move the Broncos made was to sign a QB in Case Keenum (who they pursued two years prior before the Rams placed a first-round tender on him). It seemed like the Broncos, with new-old OC Bill Musgrave, were ready to move on from Paxton and admit the gamble failed and he busted.
Not so fast, according to media reports. Allegedly, the FO (Elway) still has some confidence in Lynch and believes he may be able to put it together and figure it all out. Maybe they’ll pass up a QB in the 2018 draft because of this, maybe this is why Keenum is only on a two-year deal. Maybe, just maybe, the scouts and FO are better suited to evaluate players than us. Perhaps there’s a reason everyone and their mother had Paxton as a 1st-round lock.
To that, I would say hold your horses. Well, not on the “the FO is smarter than us” take. That’s right.
It’s highly unlikely (at least under my assumptions) they genuinely believe Paxton could become a franchise QB. If they cut him, openly tried to trade him, or did any other moves to signal anything less than 110% confidence in The Pirate, it would tank his value. The likely scenario is the Broncos trying to push this narrative that he’s “not bad” in order to try and move him either this offseason or during the year. They’ll try to recoup some (any) amount of value from him.
It’s a tough decision to make, but Lynch may be the worst draft pick of the Elway-era when looked at through hindsight. Especially for long-term organizational planning. This isn’t to say that Paxton wasn’t worth a first-round pick (the Cowboys really wanted him as well), but that the Broncos didn’t plan well around him. Paxton failed Paxton first and foremost, but the Broncos “half-in, half-out” handling of the QB position failed him as well. It’s a tragedy that the Broncos will try to move on from and find something tolerable at the most important position in sports.
Adam Gotsis, DE (#63)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Round 2 and 3 reaction thread
Draft recap thread
Player picked next: Kevin Byard, S (#64)
Player at position picked next: Carl Nassib, DE (#65)
2018 BMB Take:
Note: I’m not going to address Gotsis’s current legal issue as I feel I’m incapable of addressing it. I want to include this disclaimer so readers know I’m not discounting it entirely or not considering it properly. I’m approaching this only for who he is on the field and the Broncos should do what is right pending how the courts proceed.
Anyhow, back to football.
The Broncos surprised the NFL world when they went down under to take Adam Gotsis out of Georgia Tech. He was a relatively unheralded prospect who didn’t receive a lot of draft buzz. He only started playing American football when he was 13. He tore his ACL in October of his senior year. He was viewed as a Day 3 guy with about a round 4 ceiling. It had seemed like the Broncos could’ve got him a lot later. Besides, even if they failed to draft him it’s not like it would be that big of a deal anyway. How high was his ceiling anyway? Especially with his injuries. Perhaps he would become a JAG lineman that the Broncos could find stocking shelves at Costco. Perhaps that’s where he would end up in a few years.
Yet, this didn’t stop Bill Kolar from banging on every door in Dove Valley to lobby for Gotsis. He saw something on tape that made him cause all hell to break loose to get Kubes and Elway to see his way. If this man sees something in a lineman, he’s probably seeing something right. Probably.
For 2016, it looked like Kollar needed to go to the optometrist. Gotsis struggled to show adeptness in any area. He wasn’t expected to fill the gargantuan shoes of Malik Jackson in Y1, but it looked like he could barely fit in his baby slippers after his rookie season. However, most of these concerns were fairly easy to handwave away due to the injury. The argument was he was still struggling to gain confidence with his knee (physically and mentally) and that time would heal this wound.
In 2017, it appeared that this simple take would hold vaid (a rarity among simplified takes). Adam Gotsis looked like a different man in his sophomore season. This Denver Post article talks about the improvements he showed in just the first two games. While the Broncos defense was a disappointment last season, Gotsis was not a part of it. In fact, he was one of the rare positive takeaways from a mostly forgettable season. His growth and continued development will be a crucial part if the Broncos defense is going to return to being among the best in the NFL. Games are won and lost in the trenches. Players like Gotsis reaching their ceiling will help us win more in the trenches. If he is able to play in 2018, let’s hope he doesn’t have any regression and keeps improving as a player. If not (or if he’s cut), our run defense could be in for a looooooooong year.
Justin Simmons, DB (#98)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Round 2 and 3 reaction thread
Draft recap thread
Player picked next: Joe Schobert, LB (#99)
Player at position picked next: Miles Killebrew, SS (#111) or Derrick Kindred, FS (#129)
2018 BMB Take:
Justin Simmons, while not being my main crush for the 2016 draft (that was Nkemdiche), was a side chick of mine in 2016. I watched clips of him longingly, I read articles about his versatility and football IQ with my heart fluttering. Just look at this face.wait
Back to real stuff, Justin Simmons was viewed as one of the more versatile DBs in his class. Earlier in his collegiate career, he received some CB time. While he was a likely FS/SS combo at the next level, his coverage still would provide him with another skill in today’s pass-happy league.
Back in 2016, for /NFL_Draft I wrote this about the selection of Justin Simmons for Defend the Draft:
FA departures again created a hole at safety thanks to the departures of back-up safeties David Bruton Jr. and Omar Bolden. These two were critical in our success last year due to TJ Ward and Darian Stewart having injuries throughout the year keeping them off the field. Justin Simmons, who comes from the #1 college defense, looks to fill this hole and become an immediate contributor for Wade Phillip's #1 NFL defense. I could go into detail about him, but this is a great post from this sub detailing Simmons strengths. His tackling is what I am most excited about, as that is the #1 thing I want from DBs and the biggest strength of the vaulted No Fly Zone secondary is their ability to tackle.
I think my claims hold up well. The Broncos needed safeties (which looks even more pressing due to the departure of TJ Ward) and Simmons was a good safety entering the draft. He tackled well, had great football IQ, and was very versatile. The three traits which all the NFZ had in common were all present in Simmons. He would fit well in with this group of veteran, talented DBs.
Now, two years removed, Simmons is one of the veterans in the DB room. With Aqib Talib and TJ Ward gone, this is (to an extent) Justin Simmons secondary. His play and leadership will define if this unit is mediocre, good, or becomes something truly great again. If early results are anything to go by (which sometimes they are!), it’s looking promising that Justin Simmons will have a lengthy and successful career.
Devontae Booker, RB (#136)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Day 3 draft thread
Draft recap thread
Player picked next: Dean Lowry, DE (#137)
Player at position picked next: DeAndre Washington, RB (#143)
2018 BMB Take:
Fun fact that Penance1 reminded me of this week: Booker turns 26 next month. The recently released CJ Anderson just turned 27. Booker’s career is at a crossroads. Similar to the crossroads Paxton Lynch is on, but to a lesser extent. Everything is set up for Booker to finally seize the role the Broncos have set aside for him, the starting RB. For the better part of the last year, the Broncos have been heaping praises upon Booker in the press. Discussing his abilities as a receiver, his versatility as a runner, and the talent his possess.Well, it’s time for the words to stop and the actions to begin. So far, Booker’s career hasn’t produced a ton of noteworthy statistical achievements. Yes, he did lead the Broncos in rushing in 2016. But that was more due to the injury of CJ Anderson.
Speaking of injury, it’s hard to criticize Booker for a middling follow-up to his 2016 campaign. Things were looking very promising (even some buzz he’d push CJ for the starting job), but he suffered a wrist injury early in camp that derailed his whole season. Combined that with two OCs, a subpar line, and unholy QB play and it makes for the environment for one bad season.
After the release of CJ Anderson, Booker finds himself in position to be the Broncos starting RB today. However, in just one week, Booker could find himself demoted back to the bench and/or in competition for the starting job depending on who the Broncos draft. Like many young players, Booker has several obstacles to overcome in his career. So far, he hasn’t been able to do that. With his age already up there (remember, 30 for a RB is like 120 for a human), Booker needs to get going in a hurry if he’s to make this pick worthwhile. Thankfully, it was only a 4th rounder so if he nevers lives up to the billing it wasn’t like the Broncos blew a high pick.
Lastly, remember how his pick was announced? Jake Plummer and skiing. Enough said!
Connor McGovern, OG (#144)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Day 3 draft thread
Draft recap thread
Player picked next: John Theus, OT (#145)
Player at position picked next: Spencer Drango, OG (#168)
2018 BMB Take:
Connor McGovern or a grizzly bear, who you got?
On a serious note, McGovern was another in a series of “offensive lineman who we think has potential but needs to be put on ice for a while”. Think of him as a good wine, but was just bottled yesterday. It needs some time to age a little bit. Immediately after drafting him, Elway went deep into his wine cellar to put McGovern right next to Paxton Lynch and Adam Gotsis. 2016 was a great year for project wines. Some, like Kayvon Webster and Matt Paradis, have become some memorable spirits offered by the Broncos. Others, like Philip Blake, are best kept in a box.
This started to show some tangible results for the Broncos last year, as McGovern played 37.09% of snaps and made 5 starts at guard. With uncertainty about Matt Paradis’s long-term health due to his hips, McGovern also brings value through his ability to play center. This versatility will give him a likely leg up over Max Garcia in what will be a thrilling roster battle for the swing inside lineman. Depending on how the draft goesNelson hello , McGovern could actually find himself slotted as the preseason starter at guard.
Like all these picks, the jury is still out on whether McGovern will become a steady player on a resurgent Broncos line. However, the early results have been promising. Elway’s decision to keep him in the cellar for a while was wise and allowed him to adjust to the NFL a bit more.
Andy Janovich, FB (#176)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Thread announcing the pick
Day 3 draft thread
Player picked next: Temarrick Hemingway, TE (#177)
Player at position picked next: Dan Vitale, FB (#197)
2018 BMB Take:
I. Love. Andy. Janovich.
To the long-time viewers of /denverbroncos, it’s more than established I bleed Husker Red. While we may be the CFB equivalent of a cheese pizza, that won’t stop me from having tremendous pride for my state and whenever a Husker makes to the big leagues. Especially when that Husker is from Nebraska. Jano, who hails from Gretna (famous for the mall...and not much else), fit all those boxes.
Some people may argue that a fullback isn’t needed in the modern NFL or that a roster spot could be better used elsewhere (cough DMac cough), but I would argue otherwise.
No, I’m not going to make some rational dissertation about the value a fullback brings on ST or on short-yardage situations. Nor will I discuss the versatility it provides an offense and the value it gives a team.
This argument can be settled with a question: Who wouldn’t want this bamf on their squad?
It’s hard for me to talk objectively about Andy Janovich due to how attached I am to him. Frankly, I’d be disappointed if he doesn’t end up on our 53 this year but it’s all very much in the air. He has a lot of factors working against him, but like a good corn crop he’ll show some resilience and fight through. I hope we keep Janovich for years to come and he becomes a stalwart of the Broncos, but I understand this is unlikely. So far he’s shown value beyond the normal blocking roles of a FB (carrying the ball, ST), perhaps this will help him stay on the roster.
Instead of worrying about whether or not one of my favorite Broncos will stay on the Broncos, I’ll always have the memories of days gone by. Elway and the FO may be able to cut Jano, but they can’t cut my memories! Hopefully we can make more memories with Jano but if not,22 Janos man...22 Janos. If only we had 22, then we’d win 22 games. Somehow.
Will Parks, S (#219)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Day 3 draft thread
Draft recap thread
Player picked next: Travis Freeny, OLB (#220)
Player at position picked next: Jalen Mills, SS (#233) or Jayron Kearse, S (#244)
2018 BMB Take:
You ever have a player you really like even with them being a JAG/JAG lite?
That describes my thoughts on Will Parks. Other than a miracle return (and some clutch white shoes!) in the Bayou, he hasn’t been anything too remarkable in Denver. He saw more snaps in 2017 (60% of defense, 75% of ST), but didn’t make a huge mark. PFF really liked him coming out of college back in 2016, but so far he’s looked more like “perfectly reasonable 6th round pick” rather than “Tom Brady”.
Despite this, there’s always been something I’ve liked about Will Park. I can’t quite put my finger on it. He and Simmons, both at the same (or similar) position coming into the league at the same class. They sort of feel attached to each other and maybe they could become a great safety duo (or trio with Su’a Cravens!) in the future.
Oh, and I do want to veer off course for a moment. I’ve seen some takes that Parks may be expendable due to having traded for Cravens (as well as the presence of Simmons and Stewart), but I think these takes are a little warm. Parks is still dirt cheap, he can play ST, is pretty solid against the run, and is still a youngish player that could grow into a role. He’s not going to get cut after preseason barring some huge regression.
Lastly, since “No Fly Zone” is retired as the secondary’s nickname is there any chance “Parks and Wreck” could take off?
Riley Dixon, P (#228)
Pre-Draft Scouting:
NFL.com
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Immediate, Post-Draft reaction:
Day 3 draft thread
Draft recap thread
Player picked next: Demarcus Ayers, WR (#229)
Player at position picked next: Lac Edwards, P (#235) (Note: more punters? Goodness, this draft was one spicy memeball!)
2018 BMB Take:
Was this draft made for me or what? Drafting a fullback (from Nebraska, no less) and a punter? Perfection!
On a more serious note, the Riley Dixon ExperienceTM is coming to an end after just two seasons. After the signing of Marquette King, the Broncos have decided to go in a completely different direction with their punter. A noodle-legged, yet highly accurate punter doesn’t really work out too well when the offense stalls deep in their own territory every other drive. Instead, they’ve opted to get a much better punter with an ICBM attached to his hip. This was a huge improvement for the Broncos (might be my favorite move of the offseason) and will help us get back to the playoffs this upcoming season.
This leads to the obvious question, was Riley Dixon worth it?
I’d say yes, as selecting Dixon allowed the Broncos to get out of Colquitt’s contract and free up some needed cap-space. Plus, despite how much I value punting, a season isn’t made or lost by suboptimal punting. Dixon may not have had a big leg, but he wasn’t a total bust. He was very good in 2016 and, despite his regression, wasn’t garbage in his sophomore campaign. His range had shrunk but he was as accurate at ever.
Don’t feel bad for Dixon, I’m sure he’ll end up on his feet somewhere. He’s got tremendous utility as a punter (trick punt god) and a team with good offense yet poor ST play may value his accuracy. His young, cheap, and valuable. Have those three things and any player will end up on their feet.
2016 Draft Comparisons
Y’all know the drill, click 2016.
Patriots:
Seahawks:
Packers:
Browns:
2016 Concluding Thoughts
It’s hard to give thoughts about this draft since it is so young for the Broncos. As we saw with Adam Gotsis last season, a player can go from bust to based in a blink of an eye. These guys are still so young and emerging in their career they shouldn’t be defined by their early performances. Heck, by some metrics John Elway was a “bust” during his first two or three seasons and he became the greatest to ever wear the orange and blue. As I’ve implied throughout, take all of these takes with a grain of salt. I may heap praises on Justin Simmons for his early work, but come this season he could take a huge step back. I may criticize Paxton Lynch and think his time in Denver is done, but he could (as unlikely as it would be) prove us all wrong down the line. The only certainty besides Janovich being GOAT is uncertainty. I hesitated to include 2016 in this project due to the difficulty with assessing players this early in their career. I’m very much of that “three year” (with a few exceptions cough Brandon Weeden cough) mindset with players. It takes a few seasons before a player fits with the NFL game and can be evaluate fully.
With that said, the early favorite for best pick in this class would be Justin Simmons. His performance during his rookie season made TJ Ward expendable for the subsequent season. After that show faith of the Broncos, he put together are pretty solid season playing both safety positions and showed why he was such a highly coveted prospect during this draft. If “Parks and Wreck” (I’m forcing it goddammit) is to continue where the No Fly Zone left off, Justin Simmons will be a key part of that success.
The worst pick is also fairly clear cut. Paxton Lynch, despite all the hype and pomp, has failed to show anything of merit on the football field. I feel slightly bad for the kid, as he was never supposed to be put in this position this early in his career. Perhaps it would’ve worked out better for him if he was the backup behind a long-term franchise QB, like if Pittsburgh or the Chargers would’ve drafted him. He shouldn’t have been thrusted into open competition at this stage in his football journey. However, one might argue that the consensus that he was a “project” that needed all this time to adjust and grow is indicative of the fact that he’ll never live up to his athletic potential.
In totality, this draft has some high-upside players who haven’t shown it yet. Booker has tremendous versatility as a runner and receiver, but due to injuries and a crowded backfield hasn’t been able to show it. McGovern could play both G and C if he the situation dedicated it and has elite strength, but hasn’t put it all together yet to become a solid piece in the line. Gotsis showed some ability throughout last season, but he needs more consistency before he is able to become the Dingo to the Wolfe.
With a little more time and seasoning, this draft could become a source for a lot of solid guys. Much like 2012, it could be fundamental in future successes of the Broncos. Yet, the draft will always be remembered for Paxton Lynch and the failure to acquire a franchise QB. If the Broncos fail to do that in the next year or two, then all these “solid guys” will become irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. So, let’s look to the future and hope that Josh we can find that guy Rosen !
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CoD eSports Betting on Vulcun

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Vulcun in any way other than being a fan of their service. You should only gamble if you are of the legal age as detailed further below. For more information on Vulcun, please click here. For more information on the dangers of gambling, please click here. Remember to play responsibly!
I've been using Vulcun for the past few weeks for CS:GO betting and they just added Call of Duty. The first tournaments are starting up in a few days so there is the time to pick out your rosters.
Vulcun is an online esports betting website. In a set of matches (split up by leagues) you can be real and fake money on matches. Now what makes Vulcun different is that you aren't exactly betting on who will win, instead you are choosing the players who you think will do well in the matches they play. You get a $10000 budget and each player is worth a different value. You pick 8 players with a maximum of 3 per team. The players scores are based upon kills and objective play. You can match up against others and see how your bets compared to theirs.
Now when you first start, you get Gold which is a free currency on the site. Betting in tournaments with this will net you real money to spend on tournaments. You can also deposit and withdraw real money at will. Now, right now Vulcun will do a deposit bonus for anyone who wishes to deposit real money. Basically they match your deposit 1:1. If you deposit $100 then you'll get another $100 for free! Tournaments for CS:GO ranged from 5 cents to $500.
There are also quests on Vulcun. They embed Twitch and MLG players on their site so you can watch matches from there and just before a match there will be a quest. You can bet 5/50/500 gold and you will be asked 5 questions. These range from "Who will win the match," "Who will get the most kills," to "Which team is from Europe." You get more gold and xp for each correct answer.
This site is great and I love it! I'm so excited that they added CoD now. Vulcun is 100% legal and all Canadian and US residents 18 years and older (19 in Alabama and Nebraska) are eligible to play (except for residents in Arizona, Louisiana, Montana, and Washington). For residents outside of these countries, you have to check if websites like Vulcun are allowed within your jurisdiction.
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This site is a blast and I hope to see the CoD community on it grow!
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Disney Condoning Gambling? (Please don't bot this out)

I know EA is incredibly at fault here but what about Disney? This iteration of random loot boxes and pay to win is in itself gambling directed at both older individuals and the younger generation of consumers. Disney by allowing their brand to be involved in such practices is condoning predatory behavior and gambling addiction not to mention state laws regarding gambling and minors.
EA's use of micro transactions qualifies as gambling
Definition of Gambling: consists of any activity with three elements: consideration, chance, and prize. If any one or more of these elements is missing, the activity is not gambling.
Consideration: can have many different meanings But, in general, there is no “gambling” unless a participant is required to risk something of value. (Lootboxes require the consumer to offer up money which qualifies as at risk and their is a chance of gain and loss on both sides.
Publisher Gain: $$$ Publisher Loss: more $$$ by the consumer rolling the gear they want
Consumer Gain: prize wanted Consumer Loss: $$$
Keep in mind there is no skill involved in buying random lootboxes (Slot machine) it is entirely luck
Relevant Case Law: Yellow-Stone Kit v. State
All the relevant points are there for it to be considered gambling. Consideration ($$$ put up), Chance(loot box), Prize(valuable in game items). Since this constitutes as gambling isn't EA and Disney as well as other developers accountable to gambling laws? Disney has already came into conflict with this problem before with the skill games.com fiasco and have had their lawyers put in the following limitations for their other game of skill ventures
(Disney) • Players must reside in one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia and be at least 18 years old, except in Nebraska and Alabama, where they must be at least 19, and Mississippi, where the minimum age is 21. • Players may not be residents of Arizona, Connecticut, or Vermont.
This is as much Disney's fault as it is EA's, I am sure Disney has some pretty stringent guidelines for the use of the brand image. Disney's lack of oversight and or no action puts them just as much in the line of fire. Disney is essentially condoning online gambling and not to mention largely directed at a younger audience without consideration to state gambling laws.
Here are some sources if you want to read state gambling laws and a Write up on the legal definition of Gambling.
https://www.apgsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Youth-Gambling-Compilation-of-State-Laws-12-31-13.pdf
http://www.liebertpub.com/media/content/IGL_02_p11-52.pdf
I posted this just to enlighten the larger audience to what is going on with the practice of loot boxes and gambling in video games. Please don't remove this I am an avid gamer and this is something I have seen creeping into the industry for a long time and to see it moving into large games like battlefront makes me very sad for the industry as well as concerned for the younger generation of consumers being exposed to gambling at a young age and the addiction it can become. I still appreciate the dev for creating an amazing work of art with the game but with the loot system it is no doubt hurt.
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Sick and trapped with my toxic family

So I've been debating posting here forever. My situation is a little bit unique in that I'm in pretty poor health on top of being trapped with my N family. It's so much more difficult to cope with all my family drama because my energy is so low.
So where to begin... I'm not even sure. So I'm in my late 20s, and I escaped my family before but developed some very severe health issues and was living in a rotten apartment that had a carbon monoxide leak and I ended up doing the thing I vowed never ever to do- moved back home with my family. This was about 3 and a half years ago and in that time I've mostly been stuck in an upstairs bedroom neglected. House is very inaccessible and stairs are tough. So much drama and all it's not like I want to be out of the room around everyone even if I had the choice. It's all so exhausting and my energy is low as it is. And I lost my car to an accident two years ago. So trapped all the more.
No one in my family is diagnosed but my parents are both in their mid to late 70s. (I was like their miracle baby and it's all kind of ironic since I genuinely believe their infertility was a message from the universe not to have kids and I really can't grasp why they did.) So anyway that doesn't help either but the issues, I don't think they're really age related. I went through hell growing up and used to constantly wish someone would adopt me and was always finding teachers and such to give me the emotional support and love I wasn't getting at home. Getting sick in my early 20s was really kind of an epiphany since finally other people around me were seeing some of what was going on and outraged. My mother never wanted to visit me in the hospital or be involved in my care even at times when I nearly died. She's the kind of person who tells me she wishes other people's daughters were hers instead of me. She sees my situation of being stuck in a bedroom not living my life at all and literally tells me "I don't see what's so awful about your life." And just is so focused on herself all the time and utterly lacking empathy. She doesn't even seem to understand what the word empathy means. She's kind of worn me down to become so emotionally weak and actively discouraged me from seeking medical care. In an emergency I have to battle her for hours to get help (having a complex rare disease and being stuck in a small town the local health care places just don't have a clue how to deal with me so even in an emergency I have to beg and battle for a ride tot he hospital that is better equipped) and her wholething is how she's tired, she has more important things to do, she hates waiting, then gets twisted into "they never help you" and all that crud. It's always so hard to even begin so explain the narcissists in our lives and their behavior and how they effect us but I've been around this group and the borderline one (my mother is very very dramatic and moody and straight up histrionic so what her exact issues are it's hard to say). So I don't know how to begin to fully depict the hell that is my life at home.
In addition to my mother is my father who despite being relatively healthy physically has been so lost in a deep depression for the last 20+ years he's really just a shell of a person and can hardly function or take care of himself. Used to be a daddy's girl but when I was still quite young things changed and he's never been the same and his whole life is lived panicking about money even though to be frank while my parents are by no means rich they're also far from poor. Certainly being sick and on disability and all has shown me what real poverty is. But point being my dad is useless in all of this and just an additional stressor because he's such a constant wave of negativity.
Then I have a younger brother in his 20s who also lives at home. Absolute golden child, can do no wrong. Quit his part time job and is now growing marijuana in his tiny room. And while I have nothing against people who smoke or whatever and I've seen how useful it can be for medical stuff, the reality of the matter is while medically it's legal in my state, in the city I live in it is illegal to grow it and of course it's also not legal for pothead brother. My dad hates this but isn't a parent. My mom is doing this willful ignorance thing and first told him as long as it was legal but kind of just refused to listen about it not being legal. And so that makes me nervous. There's potential legal issues here. I don't care what the hell my brother does if he were in his own place (and he could be but he's such a spoiled child mooching off mommy and daddy so...) but he has no respect or regard for anyone else in this house. And the smell of the pot stinks up the whole house and gives me terrible migraines and nausea. He also regularly has a bunch of people over. They're loud and chaotic and again my parents hate it but he gets what he wants. He has a needy older girlfriend who basically lives there as well and there's just not enough room in this house. That girl had more autonomy and respect in my family's home than I do. And I suppose most importantly while I love my brother I'm scared of him. He's got a violent temper. May be a narcissist in training judging by a lot of his behavior but at the very least he's got serious issues and admits as much. And especially since he quit his job literally everyday his him yelling and slamming doors (and when he stomps and slams it shakes the floor and the walls and is just a terrifying thing to experience and a terrifying way to be woken up). He's never to my knowledge actually harmed another person but he makes threats. He's threatened me. My bedroom door has a hole in it from him. There's holes all over our house from him. And when he's not violently angry he's very loud and manic and my mother seems to almost encourage that. We don't even talk much but when I am around him I'm always so on edge and just walking on egg shells so conscious of how his mood can turn on a dime and his temper comes out of nowhere. I can't stand sharing a home with him and frankly there's no reason he should still live there if he can blow thousands of dollars on marijuana grow equipment. He made a massive sum of money online gambling last year. And yet my parents do more for him than me. They pay his health insurance. He fucked up hos car so he drives my moms and she basically pays the gas and all the other expenses. I don't even eat food because of my disease. I'm completely fed by IV but my brother, his friends, his girlfriend obviously are all fed by my parents. It's infuriating. And I've always felt like gosh maybe my parents could help me more if they made him grow the fuck up. But not happening. Like I said he's the golden child.
I can't keep living this way. It's so heartbreakingly awful. I was saving up to try to move and got to where I wanted to be but before I could even look at places ended up violently ill and in the hospital. I'm having a lot of issues with my colon and it's been controlling my life but nothing is being done. I suppose I've been let down and neglected medically as well as by my family. But when that move failed I finally agreed to go out of state for care to a place my IV nutrition team recommended. So I took all the money I had and headed to Omaha, NE of all places. I've been here a month now. I'm going broke. Medically things are a mess and I still don't have a plan. Had a delusional surgeon who said we should fix all my issues in my life all st once and needless to say I completely broke down to them about my family, about my living situation, about my health, about how desperate everything is. But I got tossed to psychiatry who quickly realized he couldn't help. Tossed me to social work who was profoundly useless. I've just been being tossed around and around. Got in touch with an area synagogue and Jewish Family Services but none of that ever panned out either.
What was amazing was how even the doctors could see that I was virtually a different person by week two down here from when they met me the week before. Being away from the hellhouse that is my family is so so good for me. But it's also so hard being so sick. I've been struggling a lot. Just got out of the hospital and I'm exhausted. I have to manage a bunch of IV meds and my IV nutrition and that involves being very sterile and careful and it's exhausting. And allthat on top of my symptoms and diseases. I'm not even fully diagnosed because I just haven't been able to make it to doctors easily and all.
And at home I'm not really getting help either. It's embarrassing how rarely I bathe (it's difficult because of the IV line in my chest for nutrition which can't get wet and because of my low energy) or wash my hair. My hair is in so many knots now. I just have no one really. I've been just barely getting by for years and it's so exhausting living with my family it made me a lot more isolated. Just don't have the energy to reach out to people. Like being here in Omaha suddenly I'm talking to people. I took a few other trips in the last 3.5 miserable years and same deal, I'm so much better away from my family and so social. But obviously even alone it's so difficult to take care of myself. Especially on bad days and when issues pop up. I'm kind of burnt out now from a month here in Nebraska alone and all this medical testing and stress.
It's looking like I probably have no choice but to go home. My bank has been screwing me around somehow like every time I check my account the amount changed without the charged changing so I'm not sure what's up there. A few weeks ago they credited me a mysterious $967 only to then take it away. So it's been hard to watch my finances and I have also been waiting to see if I'm going to get colon surgery and ugh I still don't know and that's been so infuriating on it's own. Hit my breaking point about a week in when I spoke briefly to my mother and she didn't care how I was doing or what was happening to me. It was devestating and I realized I'm so so so done with this shit.
I envy those of you who get to leave. I'm not sure I ever will. Because all my moving money, which was never going to be enough really. I don't make enough in a year to afford both an apartment and even a shitty car. There's some chance my parents might support financially abbot. That's the only thing they've ever really done for me and while my dad flips out and obsesses about money my mom spends it freely. But even there too, they helped me when I moved out years ago before I got sick but the amount got smaller and smaller. They wouldn't commit to any specific amount. Ultimately money that should've gone back into helping me, the money I got for the car accident and the money I got back from the shit apartment each time my dad would say oh let's save this for your next place or lets use this towards a new car but the money is just gone. But potentially maybe my parents could help asmall amount. I don't know and obviously that sucks so bad because it means I can't just escape. I can't just be free of them. And right now it's really looking like I need to take what money I have left and fly back home and probably without any real medical answers and just as sick or more. And go back to that horrible horrible home where I'm just the forgotten decrepit daughter upstairs in the bedroom. I mean I go weeks and months at a time without actually speaking to my father or brother despite being in the same house. My mother is my main form of socialization and that's only because she absolutely has to pop in on occasion to bring my heavy IV bags from downstairs and she basically makes it clear Its unbearable to be around me. Any time she is around me she's so desperate to leave and full of excuses and bullshit. And can you imagine being stuck in a small bedroom like this when your own socialization is with a narcissist who wants nothing to do with you really? I mean I've read up on solitary confinement and that's basically the way my life has been. Or in some ways worse. I mean those folks usually get out for exercise and showers and all. I've been stuck in a small bedroom with a bedside commode, a bed that takes up most of the space, and I'm a lot weaker than I should or could be since obviously that's no good for my health. Need a wheelchair but insurance requires my home be accessible to get one and as I said, it's not.
Basically it's utterly inhumane the life Ive been living and it's so unbearable to be around my family. And my family doesn't even see the problem with any of this. My dad is lost in his depression. My mom and brother are lost in themselves. I have fought like hell for years now just to survive my health issues but it's been so hopeless. And when I end up in hospitals I try to ask for help but no one knows what to do. Those required questions they ask about if you feel safe in your home, I used to lie but I've been answering honestly and it seems even then no one really cares. My only in real life friend (who lives in a whole other state now anyway. The place I was attempting to move) just sent me a message saying he has faith I can handle all my challenges. I don't. I have been so heartbroken. It feels like every time I try to escape and try to work on something I hit a wall. And everyone just suggests therapy but it's hard to go to therapy when I'm stuck in that house and don't have a car and my health is unpredictable. And frankly therapy has never gotten me anywhere with this stuff. I'm not even getting my most basic needs in life met. I almost don't have the luxury of going to therapy to talk about my problems when my entire life is constant crisis mode and just barely skating by on basic survival mode. It's so exhausting and scary. I would like to think super rare disease and all of that the fact that I'm not dead yet means something but I don't know how much time I have or don't. Either way no one should have to live the way I am.
So I don't know if it will do any good to post this. Not even using a throwaway because I'm too tired to figure that out and basically this is my life so why hide it. I wish I had posted a couple weeks back when I realize how much better I was away from home and how I refused to go back. Now I'm so burnt out I just am struggling so hard to take care of myself let alone reach out or vent or anything. And I'm aware how difficult my whole situation is. It's hard to escape narcissistic and toxic family. So much harder still when you're sick and disabled and poor. So I don't know what to do anymore. I'm so overwhelmed. And as awful as things have been here in Omaha and as frustrating it's still better than being home but my money is running out and I'm still waiting to here if this doc I met will operate or not and when. So I have no clue what my next steps are but looks like I have to go back home sooner or later and probably sooner. So I just... I don't know anymore. My heart is broken.
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[December 2, 1917] History of American Football, Massillon Tigers 6, Canton Bulldogs 0

The 9-0 Canton Bulldogs conclude their 1917 Ohio League championship season, losing to the Massillon Tigers 6-0 at League Field in Canton, Ohio.
While Canton assumed the championship had been secured when they defeated Massillon 14-3 the week prior, the loss gave the Tigers cause to claim the title for themselves, as the tradition in the Ohio League had always been to assign more importance to games later in the season. At 5-3, Massillon had lost to Akron and Youngstown, and of course Canton. Canton stood at 9-1, having defeated Massillon, Akron, and Youngstown twice.
The league determined Canton deserved the 1917 championship more than Massillon based on the head-to-head games, with the combined score of 14-9 providing the final justification.
While the Tigers were surely frustrated by the decision, there must have been some satisfaction on the field and back at home when the final gun sounded and Jim Thorpe and the mighty Canton Bulldogs had finally been defeated.
For Stan Cofall and the core group of players who migrated from Youngstown to Massillon the game would be the fourth meeting with Thorpe’s Bulldogs since November 4.
A hundred years ago today, Cofall made a play in the second quarter that injured Thorpe and he limped through the rest of the game. Cofall would connect on both his field goal tries to provide all of the scoring and give Massillon the win. Years later, in 1920, at the first meeting that led to the founding of the NFL, Jim Thorpe and Stan Cofall were the only players present.
Researcher Bob Gill analyzed 14 big games in Jim Thorpe’s pre-NFL Canton career (1915-19) to see what kind of a player he really was. Fortunately, today’s game is on the list.
Gill also compiled cumulative statistics from these games.
What Gill found is that Jim Thorpe deserves the accolades accorded to him over the years, and certainly a place in the Professional Football Hall of Fame, despite not doing much while he was in the NFL. There are but few enshrined in Canton who can make such a claim.
A hundred years ago today, Thorpe would rush for 70 yards, including a 36-yarder, but he also had a punt and field goal blocked.
Canton quarterback Milt Ghee, whose record 17 touchdown passes in the 1917 season stood for a decade, had five interceptions, including two by Cofall.
Canton outgained Massillon on the day 194 to 51, but the miscues were too much to overcome.
While some of the data could not be gleaned from the play-by-play information, Gill is confident in his overall numbers:
Rushing
Jim Thorpe (13 games): 158 carries, 768 yards, 7 TDs, 4.9 average
Other Canton players (14 games): 428 carries, 1,201 yards, 2.8 average
Opponents (14 games): 434 carries, 640 yards, 1.5 average
Stan Cofall (6 games): 45 carries, 51 yards, 1.1 average
Gus Dorias (4 games): 27 carries, 49 yards, 1.8 average
Thorpe certainly shines in this comparison, but remember the same great Canton line that blocked for Thorpe would be on the field defensively to stuff his opponents. Fats Waldsmith at Center, Doc Spears and Fred Sefton at Guard, all would likely have gotten all-Pro consideration if such a metric existed a hundred years ago. The other great Canton backs also posted quality numbers. For example, Gill found that Pete Calac averaged 3.0 yards over 8 games and F.A. Dunn averaged 3.2 over four. Joe Guyon, an NFL Hall of Famer and Carlisle Indian School alum who joined Canton in 1919, averaged 3.7 yards a carry over three games, and Carp Julian, who ran with Thorpe in 1915-16, averaged 4.3 over the four games in the study.
The other important skill Thorpe brought to the early game was punting. Real games were low scoring affairs. Consider, over the course of 30 games from 1916 to 1919, the Canton Bulldogs only surrendered 43 points.
Punting
Jim Thorpe (13 games): 80 punts for an average of 40.7
Other Canton players (14 games): 36 punts for 31.2
Opponents (14 games): 126 punts for 34.3
Other stats compiled over the 13 games Thorpe played in the study:
17 punt returns for a 14.8 average and a TD
9 kickoff returns for a 19.7 average
Of course in his own time Thorpe faced the racism we would expect to see a hundred years ago, given even The New York Times used the word “Redskin” in its sub-head when announcing Thorpe’s arrival in Queens for the Olympic qualifiers.
Some go further, claiming racism led to Thorpe being stripped of the gold medals he won in the decathlon and pentathlon representing his country (when charged, Thorpe admitted to playing minor league baseball for what amounted to chump change, pleaded ignorance). The medals were not reinstated until 1982, almost thirty years after his death.
It’s worth considering, if Thorpe had not lost his amateur status, he would not have become the quintessential pro. Recognized as the greatest athlete of his time and perhaps of all time, Thorpe gave professional football the star power it so desperately needed, enough to carry it through the war. Everyone today has heard of professional football, expects it on Sunday. A hundred years ago, this was far from the case.
President Teddy Roosevelt himself spoke out against the violence in the game, citing the players who died and were maimed during the course of the season, at a time when his son played for Harvard and he himself was a fan.
The rules commission made some changes to make the game safer, and at that time the pro game did not have its own rule book, so whatever came down from the college ranks was immediately implemented.
For instance, the neutral zone over the line of scrimmage was introduced to keep players from wrangling even before the play had started. Also, rules about the number of players that needed to be on the line of scrimmage prevented teams from running plays like the flying wedge, where the offensive linemen would get a running start before the snap.
While these changes were put into place over the course of a decade there were many changes that ended up promoting the offense. Most of these rules are naturally taken for granted today, yet it’s worth looking back to better understand the game’s evolution.
First and foremost there needed to be rules about the football itself. Each field had their own balls, sometimes with differences in construction, wear, inflation.
Perhaps the rule change that opened up the game the most was the addition of hash marks to the field. Prior to the hash mark, the ball would be spotted wherever the last play ended. This made players reluctant to run outside. After an out-of-bounds play, the ball would be spotted about a foot from the end line. The center would snap the ball as normal with the rest of the offensive line to one side. Without hash marks, after an out-of-bounds play the next play was often for a loss as the offense tried to bring the ball back into the center of the field. Under these circumstances, it’s clear why the offense would often punt away before fourth down.
For a time, when you scored, you got the ball back. This “make it take it” approach resulted in some tremendous blow-outs as inferior teams were unable to get their offense on the field.
Originally, when you scored a touchdown, you had to kick the extra point from wherever you crossed the goal-line, so if you took the play outside it was almost impossible to hit from that angle.
Nowhere did the rules change as much as in the passing game. First it was legalized, with restrictions. An incompletion in the end zone would be a touchback. In some old pictures you see players on a checker-boxed field; this is because of the passing rule, where five-yard increments were needed on the field to help the referees determine if the play was legal.
It took two players at a small college in Indiana to prove the effectiveness of the passing game. When Gus Dorias threw the football to Knute Rockne during the 1913 Note Dame season the game took another step towards both safety, as the threat of an effective passing attack forced defenders away from the line of scrimmage, but also now had a new level of excitement, one that would be embraced then as now more firmly by the pro game.
A hundred years ago, the close relationship we see today between professional and college football did not exist. Up until the founding of the NFL and even afterwards, there was little encouragement of the pro game from the college ranks. Consider perhaps the greatest name, Amos Alonzo Stagg, continually spoke out against playing football for money; of course he managed to find a way to make a living for himself off the game.
When Red Grange signed with the Bears after his college eligibility ended in 1925, the Illinois coach, Hall of Famer Bob Zuppke, while giving his speech from the podium at the team’s end of year dinner, openly ripped into anybody who thought making money from playing football had any honor to it, and his star player, who had given the team so many good memories, left the event with his head held low.
Once in the pro ranks it would be Grange who proved that the baseball stadiums could be filled in the off season, the way their proprietors had longed dreamed. The baseball men had it all, but they had high hopes for football, given it could be played in poor weather, when their colosseums sat empty. None of them could imagine a sport surpassing baseball in popularity, least of all professional football.
Grange redefined the game. Fans around the country liked the idea of being able to see the revolutionary player at their local field. Grange had played in what was known as the Western Conference, making it difficult for fans on either coast to see him. With Grange the Bears took two barnstorming tours, one on each coast, playing games every couple of days in front of what were usually record-setting crowds for a football game at each venue. The seeds of the game’s popularity had been sown.
Prior to returning for the 1926 season, Grange tried to negotiate a deal with George Halas that he felt better reflected his star power. After all, the Bears had gone from playing in front of 5,000 fans to 25,000, with everyone lined up to see the Galloping Ghost. The Bears as a franchise had already benefitted from Grange’s presence, as Hall of Famers like Link Lyman joined the Bears for the barnstorming tour, sensing a big payday, and then simply remained with the team after it was over, making the Bears one of the dominate teams in the league’s early years, and likely the reason they were one of the few that survived without having to change location.
Grange, when he wasn’t able to get the money he felt he deserved, didn’t form his own team, he started his own league, the American Football League. While the league only lasted one year, it had a lasting impact on the NFL. Grange wanted the teams in his league to be in big cities, a policy the NFL adopted, and with the exception of Green Bay, maintains today.
In 1926 there were almost as many pro teams as today, as the NFL began the season with 22 teams, and the AFL had 9.
Teams from Philadelphia won both Championships. The leagues found a merger of sorts for 1927, and the New York Giants won their first NFL title. The game of professional football had found a home on the East Coast. By 1933 all of the Ohio League teams were gone, and the smallest city with a team was Portsmouth, which would move to Detroit for the 1934 season.
Professional football has always held a bad reputation in certain quarters, not just because of the violence, but also the gambling and drinking. Imagine this reputation a hundred years ago in the age of temperance, when states were adopting the prohibition of alcohol, and women who had tired of losing their men to vice wanted the right to vote so they could elect leaders ready to make the sort of activity rampant at football games illegal. Ohio went dry in 1918 and the country followed suit in 1920, the same year women earned the right to vote and the NFL was founded.
While drinking alcohol had now become illegal, speak-easies popped off offering a wide range of concoctions, and it was well understood, then as now, that there would be plenty of drinking in the bleachers. Football fans would stop at the speak-easy for a bottle on their way to the game. One Decatur Staley player claimed that by the second half it was impossible to hear the quarterback because of the sound of breaking glass as fans began ditching their empties under the stands.
Is this why the NFL resists putting too much emphasis on the old days of the game? Readers of this series well understand it is impossible to tell these stories without going into detail about what we know was happening on and off the field. Many of old owners were familiar faces at the track. Any organization proud of its traditions gladly puts their history forward. If this were true of the NFL, they would find 30 seconds of a four-hour nation-wide broadcast to recall how, a hundred years ago on Thanksgiving Day 1917, the tradition of professional football in Detroit began when the mighty Canton Bulldogs came to town in what might have been the first national championship game.
The study of old-time football is humbling. It doesn’t take much to become an expert because there’s simply not that much out there.
Today’s standards did not exist on the front page of the newspaper, let alone the sports page. The people who wrote about sports were full of hyperbole and tall tales, and their editors knew the big bosses wanted headlines that sold newspapers, and there were less headaches when you stretched the truth about what had happened on the field.
The few newspapers yet to go extinct and others have digitized their archives, but they rarely if ever covered sports with the sort of detail we would expect to find today.
A hundred years ago, sports meant amateurs, professional athletes did not warrant much mention, especially football. It would be like opening your local daily and seeing the results of Wrestlemania XXXIII alongside news of Major League Baseball’s opening day.
Sometimes the local newspaper in a football town would print a lineup, but is “Brown” really a player named “Brown,” or is he a household name trying to hide his identity? For instance, today’s Massillon lineup featured a player named French, who was really NFL Hall of Famer Champ Chamberlin, then an All-American at Nebraska.
This cross pollination of college players into the pro ranks was perhaps the most important factor driving the creation of the NFL, and it was serious business for the new league, as the Green Bay Packers found out in January 1922 when Joe Carr kicked them out of the league for fielding Notre Dame players in what had always been common practice.
By such high standards the NFL began laying the groundwork for the close collaboration that still exists between the two levels of the sport, and ultimately sits at the heart of the pro game’s success.
While today it is a joke to say a college team is good enough to beat a pro, or a pro team is so bad they might lose, in the early days of professional football the opposite was true. The top college programs had great players recruited from around the nation, who were well coached, had proper equipment, medical resources. These massive stadiums were already being filled every Saturday.
This reality existed for some time in the minds of historians but the truth about professional football is your team was usually as good as you could afford it to be.
While a hundred years ago professional football had no governing body capable of awarding all-pro status, newspapermen would often make their own picks, such that a paper in Indiana listed only local players, and so on, as the reporters did not have the budget to travel and see anything other than local talent.
A Cleveland paper attempted to compile a more diverse list for the 1917 season:
QB Milt Ghee, Canton Bulldogs (Dartmouth) LH Jim Thorpe, Canton Bulldogs (Carlisle) RH Stan Cofall, Youngstown/Massillon (Notre Dame) FB F.A. Dunn, Canton (Dickinson) C Bob Peck, Youngstown/Massillon (Pitt) LG Al Nesser, Akron (No college) RG Doc Spears, Canton (Dartmouth) LT Pike Johnson, Massillon (Washington & Lee) RT Charley Copley, Massillon (Muhlenberg) LE Nasty Nash, Massillon (Rutgers) RE Roy Burrell, Akron (No college)
Conspicuously absent are Greasy Neale, probably the top end in the game at the time, and Pete Calac, likely second only to his old teammate Thorpe when it came time to smash the line, who both played the 1917 season for Canton under assumed names due to their relationship with Wesleyan West Virginia University, one as coach, the other as star player. Of this list, only Jim Thorpe made it into the Professional Football Hall of Fame.
Any football fan might ask, why is the Hall of Fame in Canton?
This series has attempted to answer that question by following the Canton Bulldogs through the 1917 season, as this team itself provides a big part of the answer. Not only this dominant Canton team but the great one that first went pro in the early 1900s alongside Massillon, Akron, Shelby and the other Ohio League stalwarts, when the state first made its claim to having the best teams in the country.
After folding after a game-fixing gambling scandal in 1906, oilman Jack Cusack revived the team from the ashes, making Jim Thorpe the highest paid football player in the country, surrounding him with reliable pros, ultimately bringing the Ohio League Championship to Canton in 1916, and defending it in 1917.
Cusack went back to Oklahoma when it was clear there would no team in 1918, selling the rights to local businessman Ralph Hay, perhaps the game’s greatest promoter. Hay made sure the Bulldogs returned for the 1919 season, including Jim Thorpe and Pete Calac. He improved the team, adding Joe Guyon, and they again won the Ohio League Championship. Hay went up to Youngstown to make sure they fielded a team, even though it was only for a week. He did whatever he had to do to make sure professional football survived. So it makes sense that the first meeting that led to the NFL happened in his office, and the second larger meeting that solidified the creation of the nationwide league was held in his Hupmobile showroom, with George Halas sitting on a running board.
There is a larger answer as well, and that is the people in Ohio love football. Even today you see the fans’ enthusiasm despite getting little in return from their teams. Back then this willingness to buy a ticket and go to the game meant the owner could recruit top talent for fans to watch and win bets on. The Canton paper complained after the game in Youngstown because their backers had took the train up there with pockets full of cash, expecting to find locals willing to put money on their team. The bookmakers were right next to the field.
At the dawn of professional football the Midwest had seen a tremendous influx of industry and population growth. Since the war had been raging in Europe since 1914, the area had been in the midst of a boom-time that encouraged both the funding of player salaries and the “judicious bets” the owners and people around the team would make to cover any losses at the gate. These benefits seemed to wane after the war, yet four of the first five NFL champions hailed from the state.
Also worth considering is Ohio’s geography, close to western Pennsylvania where the pro game took life, yet not governed by the religious Blue Laws that prohibited playing football for money on Sunday. Just as these first enterprising athletic clubs around Pittsburgh were closing the doors on their often controversial football program, the teams in Ohio were going pro, and brought in the top players from the east to settle local rivalries.
The Ohio League teams needed to create the NFL. They needed a stronger league not only because the use of college players had become more controversial and harder to conceal, but because the competition to bring in top players had spread far beyond the state’s borders. Without the Ohio League there is no NFL, yet Massillon folded in 1919 and the other teams would drop off one by one. The Canton Bulldogs returned to dominance in 1922 and 1923, becoming the first back to back NFL champion under Champ Chamberlin.
In Cleveland, frustrated by his own team’s lack of success, the owner simply bought the entire Canton Bulldogs franchise for $2,500, cherry-picked Chamberlin and his core group, which included Hall of Fame linemen Fats Henry and Link Lyman, and won the city’s first championship in 1924.
The Canton Bulldogs had become the Cleveland Bulldogs, more than symbolic of the NFL’s move from the small towns to the large population centers. Once rooted in places like Chicago, New York and Philadelphia, the love affair between the city and their team continued to grow, ultimately becoming the NFL of today, the most popular sport in the country.
Other entries in the series:
November 29, 1917 (Thanksgiving Day game) Game 9 - Canton Bulldogs 7, Detroit Heralds 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7gj33x/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_thanksgiving_day/
November 25, 1917 Game 8 - Canton Bulldogs14, Massillon Tigers 3 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7ffpbu/a_hundred_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton/
November 18, 1917 Game 7 - Canton Bulldogs 13, Youngstown Patricians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7dt1i2/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_13/
November 11, 1917 Game 6 - Canton Bulldogs 14, Akron Indians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7c9hvf/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_14/
November 4, 1917 Game 5 - Canton Bulldogs 3, Youngstown Patricians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/7aqzn1/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_3/
October 28, 1917 Game 4 - Canton Bulldogs 41, Rochester Jeffersons 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/79b7il/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_41/
October 21, 1917 Game 3 -Canton Bulldogs 54, Columbus Panhandles 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/77t4vs/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_54/
October 14, 1917 Game 2 -Canton Bulldogs 80, Altoona Indians 0 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/76e5t7/100_years_ago_in_pro_football_canton_bulldogs_80/
October 7, 1917 Game 1 - Canton Bulldogs 12, Pitcairn Quakers 7 https://www.reddit.com/nfl/comments/75119e/100_years_ago_in_pro_football/
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Pre-NFL professional football is a local story.
It’s obvious the NFL is going to do a bad job retelling its own history.
While the league’s centenary is still years away, the Packers will turn 100 in 2019, meaning the celebrations are sure to begin even sooner. Hopefully the Packers fans will contribute to the subreddit and see it as a place to celebrate the long storied history of the franchise. They are the best representatives of old-time football, in that they come from a small town and were sponsored by local business.
The Bears turn 100 along with the league, but even before the top team out of Hammond played their games in Chicago, and so hopefully Bears fans will also see the subreddit as a place to share the city’s history and the tales from the NFL’s most tenured franchise (the Packers joined the league in 1921).
New York Giants fans will also have great memories to share, and while the team will not turn 100 until 2025, the team will soon after celebrate its first championship in 2027. Even prior to the Giants the city has a rich history of old-time football, considering the 1902 World Series of Professional Football held at Madison Square Garden, and that the most attended game in the NFL’s first season was at the Polo Grounds.
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Fans around the country might be surprised to find their local community also once supported its own football team, and that they had a star player.
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[Table] I am a former trucker, ask me anything related to trucking

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Describe the secret world of truck stops like for drivers. Is it like little monsters? Secret passageways? Unspoken codes? Something about Mary? Not really, we usually eat, shoot the shit with other drivers in the restaurant, shower, and fuel up (yes most truck stops have showers, and for the low price of 75 gallons of diesel, or 10 bucks you my friend can experience one) Some truck stops have pool tables, and a tv lounge where we can sit and watch tv with the other drivers, and some of the more dingy ones have prostitutes and drug dealers walking around, but those two are rare to find. also most truck stops have arcade style games, and depending on the gambling laws there may be a little casino...incidentally alot of casinos ave parking for big trucks
Don't forget the part about hassling the guys that work in the shop. Bahaha that too, and of course watch the rookie that decides to back in next to you even though theres a bob tail parked at the back of that spot
Lol. i worked at the TA shop in Denton, TX a few years ago. I dont trust TA to do more then an oil change, the one in Hebron, Oh changed an air dryer on my truck, and did it improperly, I lost most of my air coming down a mountain because of it.
What's a bob tail? A bob tail is a tractor with out a trailer, if you look at the picture of my rig I posted for proof, that would be a bob tail rig
Were you a company driver or owner op? I was a company Driver, although I would have liked to get up to owner op , its exspensive as all hell
Whats a lot lizard? and how do i catch one? A lot lizard is slang for a prostitute that hangs out in truck stops, though rare at most truck stops now a days, there are some dingy ones where they hangout, and they will not hesitate to knock on the sleeper while you are trying to sleep...Believe me you dont want to catch one, because when you do, you dont know what else you might catch
Once a trucker alerted me to boulder in the middle of the road, in a particularly bad downpour, saving me and the car - did you feel you have an extra responsibility on the road as a trucker? Do you have any helped someone out stories? Personally, yes, I feel like truck drivers have a responsibility to do what they can to help people stay safe on the road, we log more miles and have infinitley more experience, so doing what we can to warn other drivers that is seen as a hazard is always a good thing. I have only stopped once to help some one out, I was going across Georgia in the summer time, and it was hot as all hell out side, an elderly couple had a flat tire, and was trying to put the spare on, so I pulled on to the shoulder, gave them each a bottle of water and changed it for them. However the thing you have to be aware of is that some people will fake breaking down, or thumbing for a ride as a way to steal your rig, and whatever goodies are in the trailer. I have a strict say no to hitchhikers policy, but am always for buying them a meal, or giving them some water.
Forgive my lack of automotive terminology...What kind of transmission do you drive? Was it considerably more difficult to learn than, say, a 5 or 6 speed in a car? The trucks my company had were Manual 10 speed transmissions, I have a picture of the shift pattern somewhere, but its not that difficult to learn to shift, essentially our transmissions are two 5 speeds stacked on top of each other, with a range splitter, so there a are 5 positions for the shifter,in two ranges, gears 1-5 are splitter down (low range) and go up to about 10-12 mph, gears 6-10 (high range) are with the splitter up and go from about 12-15 mph to 65 mph (My companies trucks were governed at 62 MPH)...the only other difference is instead of single clutching I either double clutch, or float which is shifting with out a clutch, Big trucks can do this because they lack Synchros in the transmission to match up rpms
Why do you need 10 gears for a range of 62 mph? Do you double clutch in order to brake more effectively or what is the reason? What newbie said, however it is possible to single clutch a truck (although not good for it) or float the gears, where you essintially just push on the shifter at the right rpm, and don have to use the clutch
I understand that truck drivers are under tight deadlines. I also understand that loads can be heavy and braking is not something someone wants to do with a heavy load. That said, I drive cross-country frequently and it seems like lots of truck drivers take unnecessary risks on the road, from boxing in cars (again, unnecessarily) to tailgating. Why do they do this? For instance, you would understand that the center lane gives you the most options. If I'm in the center lane, and the traffic in the left lane is moving much faster than I'm driving, why do trucks push me (tailgating + high beams) into the right lane when there is a highway entry ramp coming up? I understand the rush, but you guys log so many miles, it seems like any truck driver should know better? Honestly, some drivers are just complete idiots, however most interstates place lane restrictions on us, so we are only allowed to be in the right lane or the right two lanes depending on factors like how wide the road is, and if there are any steep slopes, there really is no smart explanation for drivers that tail gate and force other drivers to do things, and some drivers think they are invincible, and above the law. Now if there is a fairly steep hill, and a driver is tailgating you going up the hill, the angle may appear to be his high beams, and he is trying to keep his speed up to keep from downshifting as long as he can, our trucks cant climb a hill or grade at high way speed when we are loaded (and some times even empty) so we have to down shift and take the loss of speed to gain the power to climb the hill...another reason a driver might tail gate is if you are going below the speed limit, or royally pissed him off, but other wise there is no good explanation for tailgating with a big truck, that driver is only going to screw himself when he gets caught...as for boxing in, its just something that happens, I have seen it done twice on purpose because the driver of the car that got boxed in was a complete jerk off to a driver, other then that three or four of us just end up in a pack, and sometimes a four wheeler thinks he can slip through and gets caught in the middle.
Thanks so much for that thoughtful reply. I really appreciate it. I'll try to be more thoughtful on the road because of it, and I'll definitely be less frustrated with bad truck drivers. Thank you. Honestly, if you see some one driving dangerously, or unsafely, get away from them, and also see if they have the company name on the truck and grab the truck number, or the trailer number, the time, and location, then find the companies phone number when you get home, and give them a ring and let them know (ask for their safety department) by reporting them you are doing everyone on the road a favor, and a possible favor for the trucking company...unless the driver has a valid reason for making an unsafe move, the company will most likely reprimand the driver in some way (probably addtional training or a road test)
I was only reported once by a driver who thought I was being unsafe, I had a load of half filled liquid barrels in my truck, and went around a curve that was posted as 55 at 45 mph because I knew the liquid was going to slosh around, my company laughed at the guy that called me in and said I was doing a good job, beacause he was just pissed that I added less then a minute to his commute
After you pee in a jug are you done with that jug or will you keep peeing into it untill it's full? And what do you do with it when it's full? Do you pitch it or empty it in a toilet or what? Depends on the situation, Yes most truckers pee in a jug at some point in their driving career, its bound to happen, me personally I always emptied the jug in a toliet asap, and then discarded it in a trash can (I know youre all thinking it should have gone in recycling, but it had my pee in it, and I doubt any one want recycled plastic that has had pee in it)
What about pooping? You stop for that right? One of my uncles was a truck driver and he said he wore a diaper but my uncle was a fucking freak so I don't know if that's all truck drivers or if it was just him. Yes most of us stop to poop, not something thats comfortable to do in a truck...although there is a story floating around about a pair of team drivers that cut a hole in the floor of the truck so they could poop going down the road, not sure of the validity of it, but it wouldn't surprise me
Where is the worst state to drive in? Craziest thing you have seen? Hmm it really depends on what you define as worst, but I would have to say Nebraska or Wyoming (no offense to any residents) its just about 400 some odd miles of nothing after going through omaha, and another 400 some odd miles through Wyoming of nothingness.
The craziest thing I have seen, was probably watching a driver that just got his cdl and first truck get to over confident trying to back up in a truck stop, and take off the side of an owner operators brand new truck, with an V sized sleeper. He hit the poor guys truck while backing up, and didnt stop, just kept going and put a giant hole all the way across the guys truck before he realized it.
Driver with 5 years OTR here...you've never been to New England apparently. Hardly any truck stops, tolls everywhere, dense urban traffic, tight roads, low clearances, bad weather, bad roads, old infrastructure in general. I enjoy actully enjoyed the New England area, I typically picked up chocolate or Ben and Jerrys out of vermont, and they both came with samples. However maine is pretty bad, but the worst thing in the north east is trying to back into a dock that wasnt designed for your truck, I had a delivery to a small warehouse in a 73 foot long truck, the distince from the dock to the wall in front of the dock was 76 feet...we ended up having to put a pallet jack in te truck and use a fork lift to get the product into the warehouse, because no driver could hit the dock
Nebraska beat out Kansas? I'd rather drive through Nebraska to get to Colorado than Kansas. (Missouri resident, where at least we have things to look at while we drive across the state) I forgot Kansas exists
What's the scariest situation you've ever been in? I have been in a lot of scary situations, probably the scariest, I got caught in a winter storm going across Nebraska with an empty trailer, high winds and the road turned to ice pretty fast. An empty trailer in high winds is like driving with a 53' sail, add in the ice, and its a recipe for disaster. I looked in my mirror and was able to read the company logo on the side of the trailer, I luckily was able to get enough speed up to keep from jack knifing, but stopped and waited it out as soon as I could safely do so.
Also driving through New York City for the first time was pretty scary
How much do you get paid? I started out at 36 cents a mile, plus a 5 cent bounus for driving a "lightweight truck" which just means a truck with a small sleeper, which is the truck in the picture I posted for proof, I later upgraded to a regular size sleeper, and lost the 5 cent bonus, I averaged 2500 miles a week as a solo driver, so I made about 900 dollars a week
Thanks dogcmp6 ... I've always wondered this. Did you ever go "all out" to make some extra $$? Does the pay-per-mile approach cause drivers to push their limits a little too much? I literlly ran my 70 hour DOT clock down to 3 minutes one week I was running so hard, but I did like 4k miles that week. The problem with being paid by the mile is that it is not enough compensation, if the truck gets held up in a dock because of a shipper or receiver they are supposed to pay detention pay depending on the contract with the trucking company, but so few actually pay it never pans out, so if the truck isnt rolling you arent making money.
What are the guidelines on passengers? Could you bring a friend with you for company/shits and giggles? It depends on the company you work for an their policy, some will allow you to bring any one on the truck as long as they are over a certain age, and some only allow you to bring immediate family, it also depends if any one has that much time to devote to coming off...remember if you have some one else on the truck, there is no personal space
Are you saving fuel (how much?) druvung close behind another truck? is this done regulary? No, you are not, the fuel savings for a four wheeler or another truck drafting a truck does not outweigh the concerns for safety, you honestly save maybe 1 percent or less of fuel through drafting, unless you are 10 feet or less off the rear of our trailer...fun fact, that big metal bumper that hangs down off the back is a mandatory piece of steel designed to stop the driver and passenger of a tailgating vehicle from losing their head in a rear end collision with a truck...I dont encourage or support drafting, it is just stupid, there are many other methods to save fuel that work much better.
All of that being said, there is a computer technology that is being tested for big trucks so that they can essentially tailgate and mimic each other exactly in order to help trucking fleets save fuel.
What other tactics save fuel? Take it easy on the accelrator, dont drive faster then you have to, watch brake lights, and practice braking early when you see a red light and keep rolling until it turns green if you can, it uses more fuel to start a vehicle moving then it does to keep it moving or get it going faster once its already moving.
You just contradicted yourself. I dont see a contradiction
Is there a valid reason why so many truck drivers insist on constantly being in the middle lane on three lane highways? I drive from Seattle to Portland 2-3 times a month and this always causes the left lane to get jammed up on I-5. Actually yes there is, the center lane is typically what is called the lane of least resistance, its going to be the lane that has the most vehicles that aren't planning to slow down, exit, or merge into it until they are keeping up with the flow of traffic, and the left lane is probably a restricted lane for commercial vehicles, so every one wants to get around us and ends up in the left lane...kinda handy if you are driving a truck, but not so much fun if you want to get around us
Yeah I figured it was something along those lines, it's just annoying at the time. More the fault of the asshole driving 65 in the left lane when the speed limit is 70. Yeah, most of us recognize that we are a rather large inconvenience on the road, but everything we buy has to get across the country one way or another, and 90 percent of everything is on a truck at some point before it ends up in your hands...the trucks the company I worked for are governed at 62, so we know were slowing everyone down, but we save on fuel, and its less wear and tear on your self and the vehicle to drive for 10 hours at a slower speed
Did you enjoy children begging you to pull the horn string or did it get old? I throughly enjoyed it, I loved pulling the air horn string, there are even college girls that flashed there boobs at me for pulling the string when they wanted me too, ok that only happened twice, but still boobies.
On the kids asking me to pull it, I always would, no one wants to deny a child happiness
I was thinking of getting my CDL and maybe doing some trucking. What's the process like towards getting your CDL and the hiring process with a trucking company? I would recommend looking at your options to obtain your cdl, for me I went through a Mega carriers cdl school (if you pm me I will shoot you a link and tell you more about them) the other option is a cdl mill or just a regular cdl school, or a community college. The process to get your get your cdl varies from state to state, but typically you have to get a CDL learners permit, which means you have to study and pass several exams, then you have to learn about the rules and regulations for CDL drivers, learn how to actually drive the truck, and take a 3 part exam for your license, the 3 part exam consists of Pre-trip inspection, Backing/Maneuvering, and a road test
Is there a lot of man on man action happening at truck stops? I'd like to think so. As a straight man, I dont know, as someone who has sat in the truck stop with the radio on, probably, there are gay truckers, just like there are gay men, and they need some lovin too
Thank you for doing this AMA. I have always wanted to be a truck driver (I'm in my mid-20's) But my primary concern has been in the confidence of driving something so big. Is it really hard to learn how to drive a truck, especially in urban areas? Or do you just learn in training and then end up acquiring the skill almost naturally? How is the pay and job market for truckers right now? I am going to tell you right off the bat, it is a fun job, and it has a great job market, but the pay varies greatly throughout the industry. it is not an easy job, it took me 4 weeks to earn my cdl, and about 3 months with a trainer to get to the point where I was driving solo, eventually it becomes like driving a car, and it is easier then you might think, the best way to learn is to get behind the wheel of one and learn, shoot me a PM if you are interested in otr, and I will give you the scoop on the company that trained me.
How much meth did you do? None, illegal drug use is absolutely not allowed in the industry, and now a days is taken pretty seriously, all companies are required to randomly and regularly screen drivers for drugs, and you risk losing your CDL and more jail time then normal if you are caught with any on the truck
What's the longest drive, in terms of miles, you've done? How do you combat highway boredom? Are the sleepers comfortable? In a single day I have done 650 miles, the longest solo run I had was just over 2500 miles, and when running teams I think our longest run was around 3500 miles
Favorite restaurants? All of the truck stops have about the same food, but there is one in Flagstaff and Wyoming called Little America that has pretty good food, and 50 cent ice cream cones, other wise I stay away from the chain truck stops and look for the mom and pop ones if I want a good meal
Do you still use the truck shortwave radio to communicate to other drivers? To plan revenge convoys and stuff. Yes, some of us still use cbs, I always used mine just to get updates on weather, road and traffic conditions along my route, and to shoot the shit with other drivers. and of course to find out what swift or england driver fucked up and rolled it in the middle of my route.
How many prostitutes have you murdered? None, but I threw a piss bottle at one that tried to break into my truck one night
How accurate is the movie "Convoy"? And did you enjoy that movie? Its not accurate, sometimes we end up packed together, but convoys of trucks are illegal now as it was used in the early years as a tactic to avoid bears (cops). That being said sometimes in High wind areas I have communicated with another driver, and arranged to run with him if he was empty and I was loaded or vice versa as a tactic to shield the empty rig from the wind.
Oh and a a stereotypical one i have to ask, are you a fan of country/western music? (Personally i'm a huge fan of it) I am a fan of country music, I prefer the older style, but there are some artists in the modern stuff I like, I like the more folky sounding artists, look up Will Hoge, and Joe Pug, you may enjoy them.
Wow, that's really insightful, thank you. And i will look them up, country is a favourite but i listen to near enough anything. Oh and one more thing, what was your handle? My cb Handle was fluffy, because its been my nickname since I was a kid ( I was using it before gabriel igalsis)
So I am curious about the effort to increase the number of CNG or LNG class 8 trucks on the road. What are the thoughts among truckers about the potential future for natural gas powered trucking? Is it as cost effective as some companies claim? In your opinion, what are its shortcomings or benefits, if any? Thanks for taking the time! I think CNG and LNG trucks are a good idea...for local runs and day cabs, due to the long fill up times, and limited range, my understanding is most of these trucks have a range of 400-600 miles, which will get you as far as you can legally drive in a day, but with the limited range on them, and the limited number of places to fuel are not viable for OTR
Elmer Fudpucker - Damn D.O.T. Link to www.youtube.com. I always laughed at that song when I was driving. 10+ years 1,000,000+ miles. :) What he said, but his link is only for part 1 of the song, heres the link for part 1&2 Link to www.youtube.com
Autopilot trucks -- will they make trucking safer or less safe? I think they are a viable solution to help with driver fatigue, and move freight faster, however I think that trucks will always need to have somebody in them, if you're shipping 100k worth of product, do you really want it unattended rolling down the road, and what if the truck breaks down, or needs to fuel up? my opinion is that computers can remove a lot of human error, but we still need humans in the cab to keep our roadways safe
What is an incredibly annoying or dangerous habit that drivers do, and what can I do to make sure I don't ruin a trucker's day? Tailgating, it annoys the hell out of me when I see a trucker tailgating a four wheeler, they should know better, the best thing to keep from ruining their day is just to give them plenty of room, and remember that they lack the ability to stop and maneuver as fast or as well as you.
Why did you decide to be a trucker? What do You do now? I dropeed out of college, and had no clue what to do with my life, as a guy i think we have all had that 6-10 year old kid in us that has always been curious about what its like to drive a big rig, so I decided to explore it, and have a year of adventure, I will say it wasnt an easy year, but damn was it worth it...right now I am in between jobs, but my girlfriend and my family wanted me home, and I want to have a life, so eventually something will come up
Find a local day trip job where you're home every night. It totally changes trucking for you. No more sleeping in a truck or gone for long times, but still the day of freedom out on the road. Ive been lookiing, but where I live, all of the local jobs involve driving in chicago, on the surface streets
Woah so you did all this within a year? Yes I did
With fuel costs being a constant factor, was there much excitement (or even chatter) about the prospect of CNG and LNG engines for trucks, like the offerings from Cummings/Westport? Not really, My personal opnion on it is that with the long fill up times for CNG and LNG , and the limited range it is only viable for local companies, where they can fill the trucks on the company yard, other wise I would just stick with diesel for now
Have you ever had a long ways to go and a short time to get there? Every damn day I was driving
How much drug testing is involved in trucking? Depends on the company, some do hair follicle testing, and some do Urine testing, but usually its a typical 5 panel test, I was tested every 2-3 months at my company, but it is a good amount.
Hey thanks for taking some questions, I honestly hate 18 wheelers because they are slow and accidents waiting to happen. But I do like stocked stores and food so I see the need for trucks, unless we drastically expand freightrail. Why do truckers insist on passing other trucks on a two lane highway when they are going essentially the same speed? Sooo frustrating. Trucks typically pass each other because the want to squeeze in every mile, but most any one who is driving knows how fast each companies truck will go, the comapny I drove for was governed at 62 MPH, so if I knew some one was governed at 61 or 60, I wouldnt try to pass them, I also always ran around 58 MPH to leave my self enough speed if I need to pass some one. some drivers are just idiots and want to have highway drag races. (Im looking at you swift and werner)
Why do truck drivers leave crazy amounts of room in front of them in traffic? Why do truckers just generally clog up highways? Only car highways has everything going so much smoother. Personally, I always left crazy amounts of room in front of me in traffic to give me time to get in, and also because cars are going to weave in and out in front of you, so why risk the accident, when you can just give them the room to screw around, also if you have a cushion it helps keep traffic moving.
Unfortunately I cant explain why we clog up high ways, typically we drive slower then cars, so that may be why, and a few states have tried to do trucks theses lanes only and cars these lanes only...but the four wheelers dont pay any attention and would always end up in the truck lanes, and cause issues
Have you ever had to use a runaway truck ramp? If so, was it scary? I've always seen them when driving through West Virgina. I personally have not had to use one, and if you do lose control of a vehicle and have to use one the fines are massive, however if it is your last resort or only resort use it when you have a chance. they are just very lose sand/gravel designed to stop anything that hits it safely
Can you talk to any trucker you see on the radio? Is it distance proximity to pick up signal? It depends on the CB set up in your car and the rig you are trying to communicate, it also depends on if the driver even has a CB now a days and has it on, but typicaly with a decent legal cb set up you can get 1-3 miles
Have you seen Rampart? I have not
So the time limits are really strict? I thought truckers were all driving around with dual log books and other tricks to evade the duty time rules. Can you explain who duty times are enforced? Thanks. Yes, time limits can be really strict depending on the shippers contract with the receiver, some drivers do use dual log books to get around this, but they are just screwing themselves, our trucks had elogs on our qualcomm (which is a device on our dash that lets us email dispatch, and runs our clocks for us, kinda handy) the DOT and police can enforce duty times, and we have to hand them our logs if they ask for them...we are allowed 14 hours on duty and 11 hours of drive time, so once you start moving for the day you have 14 hours to drive out your 11, you then have to take a 10 hour break. However even with elogs you can cheat the system by going off duty when you should be on duty, as long as you arent driving this seems to work.
Why did you get out of the industry? Mainly I got out of the industry because of my dispatcher, and my company refusing to let me get on another load board, I was teaming with another guy where we should have been getting 6-7k miles per week, and we were only getting 3k miles per week (teaming the truck makes the same as a solo driver, but the mileage pay is then split 50-50 between the two drivers) besides that, when you drive OTR, the highway and your truck is your life, you go weeks, even months without seeing your family, and it is an extremely high stress and dangerous job.
Is it true that once on the job you instantly start fullfilling trucker stereotypes (mannerisms, slamming mugs down, talking with a rough crude voice, talking almost completely in 3 digit numbers and having rough hands)? If so how does this change happen so suddenly, and how do you stop being all truckerlike when you get home? You dont fulfill the stereotypes right away, but with anything when you are around certian things long enough you do fulfill some sterotypes, but it defintley isnt a sudden change...and as for when your home, well once its in your blood, its in there for good
Have you had any less-than-desirable interactions with police? What kind of measures, if any, do you take to avoid police attention? I personally have not, I had one interaction with a dot officer who pulled me into a scale, but he really didnt care he just wanted to check my paper work. I typically just drove right, avoided having an accident, and never brought attention to my self
Freightliner or Peterbuilt? Depends, I like the style of the peterbilts, but the freightliner is just a lot more comfortable, easier to move around in, and set up better then a pete to cook in, and with the introduction of DEF fluid to big trucks in the past few years, Freightliners have had less issues with the system then petes.
Backing up with trailer you have to steer the truck in the opposite direction of your intended direction for the trailer... how do you reverse and steer with two trailers? It takes a lot of skill to back up a double, my understanding is you can pretty much only go straight back, if you want to back any where else you have to play musical trailers and move them one at a time
Last time I passed through Georgia I saw a ton of "light touch massage parlors". Are those really whore houses and did you use them? Some are "happy ending" massage parlors, theres a few trucking forums with a list that are actual whore houses/happy ending parlors, and those that are legit, but I never used one
1) Why only a year? 2) Reasons why someone should go into trucking 3) Reasons why someone should stay away! I only did for a year because that was my contract with the company I went through for CDL school, It is a great job if you want to see the country, and have some freedom in your day to day life, honestly there are only 3 things most companies care about, and that is that you are a safe driver (by their standards or your driving record standards...not a fool proof system) that you keep your clocks legal (ok not all companies care about this) and that you make your appointments on time, other then that you have all of the freedom in the world, so not a bad gig. However the downside is you can have extremly tight deadlines, it is very high stress and exhausting to drive a truck for 10-11 hours a day as you have to be focused the whole time you are moving, and it takes some time to work on your skill, and if you get cocky or over confident you will screw your self...also its not a steady check week to week, you can have a 3k mile week followed by a 700 mile week if you break down, or if the company dosent have enough freight.
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